Protestantism

» Brian Tubbs - Oops - sorry about missing this

In response to Follow up posted by pink101:

Sorry that I missed this question of yours, Pink...

Tell me straight out, do you believe government has a right to make a profit?

Yes, BUT...

A government derives its powers from the consent of the governed. This is the bottom line philosophical premise of a democratic government - one that is enshrined in our Declaration of Independence. So, yes, a government should have the right to turn a profit, BUT...its greater priority is making sure that it respects the consent of the governed.

What's more, the government's purpose is to (according to the Declaration of Independence) "secure" our "unalienable rights." One of those rights is the right of the PEOPLE (not the government - the PEOPLE) to the "pursuit of happiness." Economic wealth was among those things meant by Jefferson's use of that phrase, Pink. So, the government needs to make sure that - whatever it does - it does NOT inhibit the people's right to pursue their own happiness.

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» pink101 - You Are Correct

In response to Oops - sorry about missing this posted by BrianTubbs:
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You wrote, So, the government needs to make sure that - whatever it does - it does NOT inhibit the people's right to pursue their own happiness.
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Yes, that is true. You are correct.
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But, do members of the oil cartels have the right to pursue what makes them happy at the expense of the peoples' pursuit of what makes us happy?
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Of course not. Our rights supersede the rights of any corporation when we vote to satisfy our desires and or interests. Corporations can mess with us all day long; but, in the final analysis, we have the right to tax them at any rate we decide or to nationalize the commodities they exploit.
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There is not one word in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independece that protects the rights of corporate powers over the rights of the people.
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British Petroleum has no "unalienable rights" under our government whatsoever. Every right they possess goes to them from the people and we have the right to take those rights back any time we wish if we so decide.
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Sovereignty~~in the U.S.A.~~is vested in the People.
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-- posted by pink101

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» Brian Tubbs - You Are Correct

In response to You Are Correct posted by pink101:

I think great attention needs to be paid to what is happening with multinational corporations. With large, global companies, you have situations where companies can become (and, in some cases, already have become) more powerful than sovereign countries. And they effectively rise above the law, by ducking and weaving their way through international law and diplomacy.

I wonder what Teddy Roosevelt would have to say about it all. TR was a capitalist, but he didn't like monopolies - and wasn't averse to using the government to check them. I wonder what he'd say if he were here.

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» pink101 - You Are Correct

In response to You Are Correct posted by BrianTubbs:
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But, we ARE here and we CAN make our voices heard.
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There is a problem with looking to the past to learn what our forefathers would have to say about what is going on in our day and time. They never had the benefit of the great amount of knowledge that has been uncovered--knowledge that comes out of sources more substantial than anything that was ever known in the past.
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We are falling into an era of danger in that such large proporations.of the population are so heavily influenced by superstition and other ideologies based on stories out of the past. Migisi has noted tribal people gathered around camp fires telling stories of their origins, etc.. That kind of STUFF mixed in with the conjectures of every kind of information imaginable cooks up a strange concoction hard to digest.
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We need to get past where we find ourselves at this time in our history.
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We do need something solid on which to build our future.
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In the meantime, the multinationals are gaining unimaginable power over our every day experiences. They WILL take over our government if we keep letting ourselves be led around by the kinds of leaders we have today. We need a major change.
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-- posted by pink101

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» Brian Tubbs - My Prediction

In response to You Are Correct posted by pink101:

I think the rise of multinational corporations will be ONE of the factors that leads us toward a one-world government. I'm not in favor of one-world government, but that is the direction that we are headed - and it's prophecied in Revelation.

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» pink101 - My Prediction--One World Government

In response to My Prediction posted by BrianTubbs:

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I don't see that.
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What I see instead is LAWLESSNESS and a growing breed of what used to be called robber barons. Multinationals like British Petroleum have almost no regard for common decency whatsoever. Profits are all that matters. They scream about high taxes and raise prices almost exponentially. Dirty dogs!!
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» Brian Tubbs - My Prediction--One World Government

In response to My Prediction--One World Government posted by pink101:

As multinational corporations become more plentiful and more powerful, there will be more "lawlessness" (both actual AND perceived), which will eventually lead to greater support for a one-world government. The ingredients for it are already in place. More power to the United Nations. More power to the World Court. More alliances like the European Union and then those alliances joining with others, like a strengthened NAFTA type union and on and on and on. It's coming.

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» pink101 - Apocaplytic Prediction

In response to My Prediction--One World Government posted by BrianTubbs:

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It looks like you are trying to bend events to fit some apocalyptic prediction of the "end times" that has been so popular in some Evangelical circles.
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The idea of lawlessness, of course, leads us to consider some force that will bring things into control.
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Thinking of the United Nations or some World Court and the European Union or NAFTA types, as being associated with some evil force from Hell has the effect of turning off any dialog that might come up with any cooperative effort with others outside our own enclaves.
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So, any person caught up in the vocabularies of such a mind set is going to automatically be opposed to working toward unity.
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That's the problem the sectarians are having in Iraq right now. What makes you think that your brand of sectarianism is any less dangerous to our future?
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You ARE a sectarian, are you not?
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-- posted by pink101

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» Brian Tubbs - Apocaplytic Prediction

In response to Apocaplytic Prediction posted by pink101:

The idea of lawlessness, of course, leads us to consider some force that will bring things into control.

It's what happened in France after the Revolution. It's what our Founding Fathers warned against in America. This has been a frequent pattern throughout history.
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Thinking of the United Nations or some World Court and the European Union or NAFTA types, as being associated with some evil force from Hell has the effect of turning off any dialog that might come up with any cooperative effort with others outside our own enclaves.

I am not associating the United Nations, the World Court, the EU, or NAFTA with "some evil force from Hell." I'm simply pointing out that these entities represent the framework for the development of a one-world governing order. I don't see how anyone can dispute that.
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So, any person caught up in the vocabularies of such a mind set is going to automatically be opposed to working toward unity.

I am opposed to one-world government, because I believe STRONGLY in the sovereignty of the United States and the principles and ideals upon which the USA was founded. I'm not willing to surrender those ideals to a larger entity or subordinate my American citizenship to a global order. I see it coming, but I intend to fight it.

That's the problem the sectarians are having in Iraq right now. What makes you think that your brand of sectarianism is any less dangerous to our future?
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You ARE a sectarian, are you not?

I'm a patriot.

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» pink101 - A Patriot

In response to Apocaplytic Prediction posted by BrianTubbs:

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Brian writes, I'm a patriot.
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Yes, I believe you are; but, misguided.
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Forgive me for being so blunt. I know you believe you are a considerate person and I have to say that you do express a great deal of consideration as you also express concern for what is best. I am with you much of the way; but, we do part company in some areas.
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Regarding sovereignty, America's sovereignty is in her people--WE are the sovereigns--not our government.
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Our duty as an enlightened population is to hold that shining torch of liberty high so that it can be seen by all people. The world deserves to see the light it spreads. And, if the world sees it and wants it, who are we to deny it.
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If one world government is in the future, we had best get our heads together now so that we don't allow the unbridled feudalistics to wrest control of our destiny away from us.
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We must come into the twenty-first century. And, we must consdider what our future will be. We cannot afford what sectarianism is promising us--war and division.
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-- posted by pink101

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