Protestantism

» pink101 - Just In Case

In response to Bifurcation posted by pink101:
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Just in case you aren't able to bring it up from the other link, here is a more direct one: http://www.unc.edu/~nielsen/soci250/m16/...
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Click on open and hit return to move through the frames.
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I'm sure you will find it informative.
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And, I don't think anyone is going to "define" Feminism.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Defining Feminism

In response to Criticizing Feminism posted by Migisi:

Nice try, Migisi. I smell a set up.

I would say two things...

1. I'm not sure that a man is the best person to define "feminism."

2. Were I forced to do so, I would have to do so within my western (and specifically American) framework. Accordingly, the first place I'd look is the origin of the women's movement in America, from Abigail Adams and Dolley Madison through the Seneca Falls Convention. That would be my starting point.

» pink101 - Defining Feminism

In response to Defining Feminism posted by BrianTubbs:

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I smell a set up.
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You are the one who begged the question; so, why do you think there is a "set up"?
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And, it's not necessary to recount the history of the world to speak to the issues of Feminism. While Feminism does deal with gender, a person does not have to be a woman to understand it as we are--each one of us--affected by the same "things" about which Feminism complains.
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And, if you HAVE read much of the "scholarship", then, you should be able to speak plainly to the subject.
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Go for it.
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Defining Feminism

In response to Defining Feminism posted by BrianTubbs:

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Come on, Bri. Give it a whirl. Be brave, lil' buckaroo.
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I didn't ask you as a set up. Really, I didn't. I'm interested in hearing your 30-sumthin' views on what feminism is/means today. I'm aware of feminist history, so we really don't have to rehash it. But, if you'd like to study the key characters involved in the three feminist phases, I'll follow along. Lead on, Bri.

-- posted by Migisi

» Migisi - Bifurcation

In response to Bifurcation posted by pink101:

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I'll get back to you on this, Pink. I did go to the links you offered, but there was much to sort through, and lots of socio-speak I didn't understand. I must be dense. 'Glass ceiling' I understand. Can you offer more simple examples of bifurcation for me?
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I just popped in for a minute here. I'll be back later.

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - Bifurcation

In response to Bifurcation posted by Migisi:

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Bifurcation is defined as the "distinction between the world as we experience it and the world as we have come to know it through the conceptual frameworks that science invents."
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That's where the idea that you are the "embodiment" of your personal experience fits in.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Bifurcation

In response to Bifurcation posted by pink101:

Bifurcation is worth a whole thread in its own right. It gets to the whole idea of whether there is objective, external truth - or whether truth is relative. And if it's relative, how is it relative to each person? I believe that Absolute Truth is external, BUT...we as human beings are limited in our ability to grasp and discern truth. And our efforts to do so are indeed influenced by and (one might say) inhibited by our limitations.

» pink101 - A Spin

In response to Bifurcation posted by BrianTubbs:

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That's a spin that might float.
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But, bifurcation is a personal thing in a certain way. It has to do with being born into a world that was already established. So, the individual has nothing to say about the way "things" are even though their personal experience tells them there is something wrong with those "things".
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I think we have to understand some other concepts in order to get a good handle on feminism as a philosophy or as a social theory.
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We had a participant here some time back, Catherine McDonald, who ~ I think ~ is articulate on feminism. Maybe we can get her to come in for some input.
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - A Spin

In response to A Spin posted by pink101:
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It has to do with being born into a world that was already established. So, the individual has nothing to say about the way "things" are even though their personal experience tells them there is something wrong with those "things".
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But people can and DO have a say about the way things are. That's how social, economic, and political change happens. One doesn't have to ~accept~ 'things' as they are, especially if one views them as 'wrong' (i.e. racism, sexism, etc.) One ~can~ challenge them, and actively work for change.

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - EXACTLY!!

In response to A Spin posted by Migisi:
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But people can and DO have a say about the way things are.
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EXACTLY!!
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That's a big part of the point of feminism.
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And, feminists protest the status quo. Even so, they are not the only ones.
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Early in this thread, I thought that point was made. It's a minority view that leads us into a better future. At least that is what feminism claims.
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And, it claims that a woman is able to see that much more easily than a man; because the cards are stacked against her in favor of the man. How would you have liked to have been born in to an environment where you were as free as a man to pursue your own desires?
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-- posted by pink101