Protestantism

» pink101 - All religions?

In response to All religions? posted by BrianTubbs:

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You keep trying to change the direction this thread wants to go.
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It is not a thread about religion; but, one about Feminism.
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You seem highly qualified to provide us with facts about those three and especially Protestant Christianity and that's great.
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Maybe we can stay on track now.
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» Brian Tubbs - Staying on track...

In response to All religions? posted by pink101:

We still haven't agreed on a definition of conservatism, nor have we agreed on a focus with respect to what religions we wish to analyze. Since this is a Protestantism site, I think it best that we stick to that, but you seem to want to broaden it out further. And...

We have not defined feminism - or, for that matter, sexism (which I assume is being presented as the opposite of feminism?).

When it comes to a sensitive and controversial topic like this, agreement on the terms is imperative. We don't have that yet.

» pink101 - Staying on track...

In response to Staying on track... posted by BrianTubbs:
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When it comes to a sensitive and controversial topic like this, agreement on the terms is imperative. We don't have that yet.
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I think we have to go slowly here as the very definition of Feminism is in the works.
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If you and I were to agree on certain terms, we would be proving a major complaint of Feminism.
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This is why I say we have to put on a liberal mind set here in order to allow our thinking to open up to possibilities outside the established view of reality.
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I think the definition of Conservatism has been made clear in that it is holding on to an established view of reality.
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This is not a subject for argumentation. Instead, we're wanting to understand something we haven't known
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Feminism provides a view of reality outside the traditional grasp.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Staying on track...

In response to Staying on track... posted by pink101:

Well, understanding that I will probably be called a sexist and/or an extreme conservative....I am not sympathetic with or agreeable to the argument advanced by many "feminist" (their own label) scholars who argue that we need to revamp and overhaul not only our language, but our entire way of thinking, in order to accommodate their agenda. I'm not interested in doing that.

» pink101 - Good Golly, Molly!

In response to Staying on track... posted by BrianTubbs:
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Good Golly, Molly!
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How many times must I say that my intention is not for this thread to be a basis for argumentation?
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To repeat, my interest is to unravel the subject to see if we can learn what Feminism is all about.
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I've posited a couple of ideas with which we could begin some work.
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I don't know that Feminism is anything worthwhile or not; but, I'm sure willing to consider its features and claims.
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I do believe that the first claim is reasonable and worthy of our consideration.
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Let me make a point, ok?
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Over the past few decades, I've heard various comments made by women and echoed by some men that they were NOT there when society was organized or when the rules were written. When those statements were run by me, I thought, "O.K., neither was I; but, so what? I still am influenced by the status quo and have to abide by its rules."
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Now that I am looking into Feminism in some light study, I see that as paramount to the basic claim that society is already in place before we have anything to say about its make up and rules. That's not just the laws that control our day to day experiences; but, it is specific to the idea of our social structure and perspectives on reality.
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How can we deal with such a theory as Feminism unless we understand what it claims to be the situation in which we exist?
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I know that there is a connection to religion--not just Christianity; but, more importantly to Judaism and Islam both of which are far more conservative than Christianity when it comes to social structure.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Good Golly, Molly!

In response to Good Golly, Molly! posted by pink101:

I know that text in a discussion board can come off as more combative than is intended. I'm really not trying to be argumentative. It's just that I've read a lot of feminist scholarship - and a lot of it gets into the "need" (as they see it) of overhauling the English language and changing the very concept of how we define things and/or make decisions and so forth. I am just admitting to you (and whoever else is reading) that I'm not ready to go there. As a citizen, I'm not willing to overturn the entire social order or overhaul our entire culture and language. And that IS precisely what some of the more 'radical' (if I can use that adjective) feminist scholars are advocating.

An example of that in religious circles is the redefinition of the Trinity - something that the Presbyterian church is considering. I'm not willing to go there.

» pink101 - Bifurcation

In response to Good Golly, Molly! posted by BrianTubbs:
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"...I've read a lot of feminist scholarship - and a lot of it gets into the "need" (as they see it) of overhauling the English language and changing the very concept of how we define things and/or make decisions and so forth. I am just admitting to you (and whoever else is reading) that I'm not ready to go there. As a citizen, I'm not willing to overturn the entire social order or overhaul our entire culture and language."
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O.K. No one is asking you to convert to a system that we don't even understand very well. At least, that's not my intention.
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My interest is to learn about the subject. I know that it is a sociological theory and, as such, can be understood. I'm sure there are different schools of thought on the ideas involved.
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I've been trying to get the focus over to the idea of bifurcation. As you say you have done s lot of reading on the scholarship, can you address the idea of bifurcation and of how it applies in Feminist theory?
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Bifurcation

In response to Bifurcation posted by pink101:
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A sociology instructor doesn't have to be a Feminist to teach it. And we don't have to be Feminists to discuss it.
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Do you think?
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Gun-totin' Feminism

As a pastor, I cannot endorse some of the language in this op-ed, nor do I embrace the vindictive spirit that characterizes much of it. But...I do think this author has tapped into one of the most serious challenges that women face today, and it should give us all something to think about.

Not only is this what you might call 'gun-totin' feminism, but it's also the kind of PRACTICAL feminism that I can appreciate.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DougG...

» pink101 - Criticizing Feminism

In response to Gun-totin' Feminism posted by BrianTubbs:

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If you are so bent on criticizing feminism, why don't you consider how some Post Modernists view it?
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I think there is more than enough criticism that comes out against Feminism; but, it would be nice to learn something.
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-- posted by pink101