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» pink101 - Feminism, Christianity & Liberalism

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It has been said that liberalism is a minority force--the existence of which forces conservatism to change.
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Can it be shown that Feminism has been a strong force of liberalism that has been firing the rise of conservatism as a reactionary force against progress in American politics?
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What is the position Christianity takes on Feminism?
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Feminism, Christianity & Liberalism

In response to Feminism, Christianity & Liberalism posted by pink101:

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What is the position Christianity takes on Feminism?
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It's BAD and EVIL, and contradicts Christianity.
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Voices of Orthodox Women
FEMINISM AND CHRISTIANITY
http://www.vow.org/feminism/contemporary...

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - A Pivotal Issue

In response to Feminism, Christianity & Liberalism posted by Migisi:
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From the link provided by Migisi: What do you think?
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I think we have hit on a pivotal issue regarding liberalism and conservatism. In particular, an issue that impinges on Christianity and most other religions that I know about.
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» pink101 - Dorothy E. Smith

In response to A Pivotal Issue posted by pink101:
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Dorothy E. Smith ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_E._... ) is a highly respected spokesperson in the rank and file of Feminism.
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In her paper, Women's Experience As A Radical Critique of Sociology, she complains that we are socialized to discount our personal experience of reality.
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It's hard to go against her thinking that we live in a world where we are governed by the way everything is put to us and in which we are taught to accept it as reality. Further, her complaint includes the idea of how that faming has been put in place by way of patriarchal culture.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Feminism, Christianity & Liberalism

In response to Feminism, Christianity & Liberalism posted by pink101:
Define "feminism" and "liberalism" - different people mean different things by those terms.

» pink101 - Feminism, Christianity & Liberalism

In response to Feminism, Christianity & Liberalism posted by BrianTubbs:
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Define "feminism" and "liberalism"
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Stick around, we can unravel it so everyone gets a pretty good idea of what it is.
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"... different people mean different things by those terms."
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That's what postmodernism is all about, isn't it? Different strokes for different folks.
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I think we have enough information on liberalism to posit a fairly good idea on what it means. Pretty much, it is an unfettered way to look at new ideas without the knee jerk reaction expressed by conservatism. I think it is safe to say that Liberals are not afraid to test out new ideas; whereas, Conservatives are generally afraid of anything new and untried. For example, Liberals opened the gates that eventually freed the slaves. Conservatives sought to prove slavery was a societal virtue with biblical authority.
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» Brian Tubbs - Conservatism

In response to Feminism, Christianity & Liberalism posted by pink101:

You have a very loaded, extremely biased, and completely unfair definition of "conservatism."

I'm honestly not interested in being dragged into a debate if my perspective (which IS conservative - compared with you and Migisi) is going to be caricatured from the outset. I don't mean that to sound argumentative. It's more a time management issue for me. If I responded to every attack on conservative values and principles, on Bush, on Christianity, etc. that's offered in these threads, it would be a full-time job. I just don't have that kind of time.

So...to put it bluntly, I reject your definition of conservatism. I particularly and PASSIONATELY reject your trying to tie conservative Christianity in with slavery. When it comes to theological matters, I am definitely conservative - and I deplore racism (and have written against it, counseled against it, and preached against it!).

» pink101 - Conservatism

In response to Conservatism posted by BrianTubbs:
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So...to put it bluntly, I reject your definition of conservatism. I particularly and PASSIONATELY reject your trying to tie conservative Christianity in with slavery. When it comes to theological matters, I am definitely conservative - and I deplore racism (and have written against it, counseled against it, and preached against it!).
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Certainly you do. It's hard to imagine anyone wouldn't be against racism as it was practiced by people in the South who wanted--so desperately--to conserve their traditions which were defended by biblical references. That good old Son of Dixie, Lester Maddox, gave people in my generation a good healthy dose of the kind of racism Southerners practiced in the mid twentieth century. It took the federal government to quell what otherwise would have been in control of American society today.
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But, Northern Liberals broke the back of that overt racism--thankfully.
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I don't think I defined Conservatism--only gave an example of how it works in society.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Debate?

In response to Conservatism posted by BrianTubbs:
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Brian's response to my statement about Liberalism zeros in on a basic complaint made by Feminists the world over.
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It is difficult enough for a woman to grasp the basics of Feminism let alone a man.
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And, that is the first complaint made by Feminists--that it is so difficult for anyone to grasp.
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I think it is important to open this line of thinking in a careful way.
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Women are born into a world in which their experiences do not line up with the perspectives they are given. If you agree or disagree with this statement points up something about Conservatism and Liberalism. The Liberal will have an open mind to learn why the statement is made. The Conservative will complain exactly the way Brian has in his response, I'm honestly not interested in being dragged into a debate if my perspective (which IS conservative - compared with you and Migisi) is going to be caricatured from the outset..
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In other words, there is an outright opposition to Feminism before it is even understood as a theory. That looks like reactionary Conservatism.
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Sexism and Religion

In response to Conservatism posted by BrianTubbs:
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.... and I deplore racism....
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How about sexism?
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Quoting from:
SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION SAYS NO TO FEMALE PASTORS
http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/southernba...
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"June 15, 2000 (David W. Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061-0368, fbns@wayoflife.org) -- The Southern Baptist Convention, meeting in Orlando, Florida, approved a change in its Baptist Faith and Message statement to strengthen its formal position against female pastors.
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"Old statement: "Southern Baptists, by practice as well as conviction, believe leadership is male."
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"New Statement: "While both men and women are gifted for service in the church, the office of pastor is limited to men as qualified by Scripture."

-- posted by Migisi