Protestantism

» Migisi - "Patience"

In response to "Patience" posted by BrianTubbs:

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scriptural explanation to my understanding of the mosaic law and the Sabbath.
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IS there scripture which abolishes the Sabbath (Stephen's term 'abolition')? I don't recall reading any.

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - Well, Now!

In response to "Patience" posted by Migisi:

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Well, now!!
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Let's get this question straightened out. Were the days of the week made for us or were we made for the days of the week.**
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Jesus asked a similar question about the Sabbath, didn't he?
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Heh heh heh
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Good for you, Brian!
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Abolition

In response to "Patience" posted by Migisi:

I never said that the mosaic law was abolished. But let's take the mosaic law for what it was intended to be - and understand it and apply it accordingly. There were certain aspects of the law that Jesus clearly fulfilled, making them moot and unnecessary. And there are other aspects of the law that (if you read the Torah) applied to the Israelites - the Hebrew tribes.

This isn't something that I can conjure up one or two verses. We are in the area of systematic theology here, and that frankly doesn't lend itself to discussion boards very well. The posts would get pretty long.

» Brian Tubbs - Jesus

Read what Jesus says in the Gospels about honoring the Sabbath. Two principles stick out.

One (and my liberal friends will like me for saying this) is that Jesus elevates the SPIRIT of the law higher than the letter of the law.

And two Jesus identifies Himself as the fulfillment of the law (and in the case of the Sabbath) as the "Lord of the Sabbath" (a clear assertion, btw, of his Deity).

Now, we have to chew on that. I don't see how someone can look at what Jesus said about the mosaic law - and then conclude that we should go BACK to the Old Testament and try to impose everything in the mosaic law to today.

And that's JUST based on what JESUS says. I haven't even gotten to the Apostle Paul - or the book of Hebrews (likely written by Paul too).

» Migisi - Jesus

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I don't see how someone can look at what Jesus said about the mosaic law - and then conclude that we should go BACK to the Old Testament and try to impose everything in the mosaic law to today.
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I assume you're referring to this disertation? Mat 5: 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
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From what I observe this morning, heaven and earth have not disappeared.
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What is this 'everything' Jesus referred to? Is 'everything' accomplished? Isn't Jesus' second coming (in Revelations) yet to happen - hence, 'everything' is not accomplished yet?
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He said he didn't come to 'abolish the Law OR the Prophets'. How could he abolish the Prophets? Should this read 'OF the Prophets' instead?
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Who decides which Mosaic Laws apply to today and only to Gentiles, and which Laws only apply to the Jews and can be ignored by Gentiles?
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Jesus said, "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven..."
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Which are the 'least' commandments? Do commandments vary in degrees of importance?
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Continuing in Mat 5, 6, and 7, Jesus specifically discusses (in this order):
murder (and anger),
resolving debts,
adultery (and temptation),
divorce,
swearing oaths,
modification of 'eye for an eye',
love for one's enemies,
giving to the needy (and prideful 'acts of righteousness'),
prayer (and forgiveness),
fasting,
treasures (and money),
worry about earthly things,
and judging others.
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(Note no mention of the Sabbath.)
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Which one, if any, is 'least' compared to the others?

-- posted by Migisi

» redback - ;)

In response to ;) posted by Migisi:

"I always liked Wednesday nites."

And my dictionary says Wednesday's the 4th day of the week and TV here, when 'Blue Heelers' was on, was truly great. And despite the 'ISO year' we write today ie Friday as 14/12/07...so it's all good.

The Sabbath?

"Since society does not trust that God will provide for the needs for His people, society cannot afford to cease economic activity for the day."

Food for thought...or for the table?

-- posted by redback

» Brian Tubbs - John MacArthur on OT Jewish Holidays

Great article....

http://www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/70-21...

» Brian Tubbs - John MacArthur on the Sabbath

http://www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/IA-sa...

» Yeshuastree - John MacArthur on OT Jewish Holidays

In response to John MacArthur on OT Jewish Holidays posted by BrianTubbs:

I had a chance to visit this link, and being of Messianic background find that it is lacking in credibility. My reasoning for this is simple. The author has no understanding of what the holy days are about. Just one example is that we have Hannakah being describes as the New Year which is the festival of Light or the Feast of Dedication (Dedicated due to the defilement of the temple). When simple facts are incorrect, it places the entire thesis in question.

Is there a place for these Holidays for believers of Christ? I believe there is. First if you are a stickler for words, they are an eternal commandment. Beyond this, we find that each Holy Day relates to the life of Christ in either events that have already occured or those about to occur.

-- posted by Yeshuastree

» Migisi - John MacArthur on OT Jewish Holidays

In response to John MacArthur on OT Jewish Holidays posted by Yeshuastree:
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Hey, Yesh... are you ~the~ Scott Moore - baseball player previously with the Chicago Cubs? Just curious...

-- posted by Migisi