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» Migisi - Sea change overstated

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The women here can get mad at me, if they want.
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Back in the day, we called her 'Mrs. President' - not 'First Lady'. There's no question that she played a prominent role in Bill's administration. As I see it, we should expect the same prominent role for "Mr. President" in ~her~ administration if she's elected. If one didn't care for Bill's policies back then (for me, specifically: NAFTA) - which she was involved in - why would one want more of the same by electing her?
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My biggest opposition to Hillary is -- she's a changling. She changes her position to fit what's popular at the moment.
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As much as she and Bill want to deny it today... she fully supported Bush's Iraq invasion (blaming Saddam for 9-11, when she and Bill KNEW this was a LIE)...
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October 10, 2002
Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of
United States Armed Forces Against Iraq
As Delivered
http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_...
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As soon as the mood changed, and the war became unpopular, she changed her tune. Suddenly, she's anti-Bush and anti-war. But... did she back up her opposition by voting against funding it? No.
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And Hillary supports war with IRAN!
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Quoting from:
Clinton's Iran Vote: The Fallout
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/weekin...
"...She voted in favor of the measure in question, which asked the Bush administration to declare Iran's 125,000-member Revolutionary Guard Corps a foreign terrorist organization. Such a move - more hawkish than even most of the Bush administration has been willing to venture so far - would intensify America's continuing confrontation with Iran, many foreign policy experts say."
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I wouldn't care if she was a man and running for President. I wouldn't vote for her/him. She doesn't make sense. She wants all children to have health care, but she supports our kids getting their limbs blown off in Iraq - and Iran, if she has her way.

-- posted by Migisi

» Migisi - Political Capital

In response to Political Capital posted by pink101:

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The Clintons are the best Republicans the Democratic Party has ever endorsed.
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Ain't that the truth!
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But then, is there really such a stark difference in party platforms anymore?

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - Political Capital

In response to Political Capital posted by Migisi:
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But then, is there really such a stark difference in party platforms anymore?
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Well, what can we say about such politicians as Joe Liebermann? There's a war hawk if I ever saw one--especially if war has anything to do with Israel. He's Israel's senator in the U.S. of A.
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What makes one party different from the other has to do with the public input.
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If one party is sensitive to the majority interest and the other is sensitive to the lobby groups that garner their votes, the differences come to the surface.
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But, you're right. The parties are homogenized--more or less. There's no cream and no skim--or very little.
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With candidates like Romney and Obama, you're looking change in the face.
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Each of them seems to be seeking their capital from the electorate and I don't mean money.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Hope For The Future

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I just watched the live coverage of the Obama endorsement by U.S. Representative Patrick Kennedy, Caroline Kennedy, and Senator Edward Kennedy.
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Obama's response speech brought tears to my eyes.
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Hopefully our long dark night since that fateful day in November of 1963 has come to an end.
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Now!! Maybe we will see a politics of hope instead of the defeatist fear the Bush dynasty has been forcing down our throats..
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Political Capital

In response to Political Capital posted by pink101:
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With candidates like Romney and Obama, you're looking change in the face.
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All the candidates talk a good game. But really, once they're in office, what real change can they make -- without support from Congress and other behind-the-scenes power brokers? It becomes business as usual.
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Each of them seems to be seeking their capital from the electorate and I don't mean money.
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The road to the capital is paved in gold- actually greenbacks. The moneyweb for Obama should now include the Kennedys.
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http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/moneyw...

-- posted by Migisi

» Brian Tubbs - Next Prez & Iraq

Whoever is elected the next President (even if it was Migisi or Pink), he/she is NOT going to be able to immediately pull our troops out of Iraq. It's not going to happen that way. We're there, and we're going to be there for a while - no matter which party gets elected.

» pink101 - Next Prez & Iraq

In response to Next Prez & Iraq posted by BrianTubbs:

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You see, the politics of fear is coming to an end, Brian.
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We aren't going to be basing our decisions on fear.
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We will be moving into an area of hope.
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It might surprise you as you have never seen it in your lifetime--probably less than half the Americans have.
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I remember right up to the time F.D.R. died, there was a gloom in the minds of those who were held captive to the Republicanism of that day. Imagine what the world would be like if Roosevelt had lost that fateful election in 1932.
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Next Prez & Iraq

In response to Next Prez & Iraq posted by BrianTubbs:
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he/she is NOT going to be able to immediately pull our troops out of Iraq.
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Why not? Everybody else has - or will be - pulling out.
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Quoting from:
Who's Left In The Coalition?
http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/...
January 13, 2008
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"When the U.S. invaded Iraq in the spring of 2003, we had 47,200 combat troops from three nations with us. In March 2004, there were 24,000 troops from 33 countries. Today, the number of foreign troops has dropped below 12,000, according to the Brookings Institution's Iraq Index. That includes 4500 British troops, 2000 from the former Soviet Republic of Georgia and 1200 from South Korea. Other coalition members, such as Spain, Italy and Japan, left Iraq months or years ago. By this summer, the numbers could diminish by an additional 50%. Britain and South Korea are halving their forces, and Georgia is pulling out 1700 troops. The new prime ministers of Australia and Poland also have promised to remove all of their soldiers-600 and 900, respectively-which would leave the foreign troop strength under 6000. (Right now, the U.S. has about 160,000 troops there.) Says Brookings' Michael O'Hanlon: "The military mission in Iraq is increasingly just a U.S.-Iraqi enterprise." He adds that we can expect less help as time passes, "even given improvements on the ground and a new President."
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IRAQ COALITION support DROPPED BY 80%, U.S.-led Iraq coalition withering fast
http://edschultz.invisionzone.com/index....
"You have seen this become a globally unpopular war," Cordesman said. "Most of the world sees it as unjust and sees the United States as having effectively lost because it went to war for the wrong reasons."... Anthony H. Cordesman, former director of intelligence assessment at the Pentagon and now an analyst with the private Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.."
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Who ever is campaigning now, and get elected later, had better listen to the will of the people!!
Poll**: 63% want all troops home by end of '08
2-13-2007
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/...
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**USA TODAY/Gallup poll
http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/table...

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - Next Prez & Iraq

In response to Next Prez & Iraq posted by Migisi:
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When the U.S. pulls out of Iraq~and we will~pandemonium will be aching to break out.
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I wouldn't want to be an Iraqi official that cooperated with our Occupying forces. They will want to leave Iraq with our forces when we pull out.
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There is a chance that Iran will want to re-establish its hegemony in the resurrection of Persia which will include present day Iran, Iraq, and all the ancillary land that was taken away by the Brits a hundred years ago when they broke the area up for their colonial purposes.
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If I were an authority regarding America's foreign policy, I would want to have ongoing discussions with Iran regarding the future of the area.
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Iran IS a force with which to be reckoned--there is no doubt on that issue.
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Bush has grabbed a saber toothed tiger by the tail.
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The Iraq occupation is a very inept and stupid act on our part.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Not Fear

Pink, you have made a decision (as I knew you would - and so predicted) to oppose Mike Huckabee. Why? Because - in your mind - a vote for Huckabee is a vote for religionism. And you've expressed all kinds of doomsday scenarios about religionists taking over in America. I could easily accuse you of "fear." You would respond that it's not fear, but justified concern and apprehension and/or prudence or whatever.

Well...

If we pull out of Iraq too quickly, that country will collapse into complete anarchy and genocide. And, you're right, Iran will probably move in and claim much of the spoils. As will Syria.

Well, no responsible President is going to stand for any of that.

If Barack Obama is elected President - mark my words! - we will still have a military presence of some kind in Iraq when he leaves office. I can say the same for any of the frontrunners.