Protestantism

» Brian Tubbs - Jesus

In response to Trinity and Hell posted by Migisi:

The deity of Jesus Christ is indeed part of the doctrine of the Trinity, but there are all kinds of differing interpretations and understandings about the nature of the Trinity - how it works, what it looks like, etc. Paul makes clear that the bottom line requirement is embracing the risen Christ as "Lord."

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» Brian Tubbs - Learn To Trust

In response to Learn To Trust posted by pink101:

I was tempted not to even respond to this mockery, but I will for the sake of others who might be reading this...

Paul tells Timothy to "Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." In other words...we are to study, analyze, ask questions, test doctrines, weigh things out, etc. We are not simply to turn away from all difficult issues (as Pink suggests Christians do) and dismiss them as "We'll figure it out later."

Now, the caveat to this is...Not all people are as intellectually gifted or as able (due to their cultural, geographical, technological circumstances) to study as thoroughly as others. That's why the salvation doctrine itself is so basic and simple. But as Jesus makes clear: "To whom much is given, much is required." The more we are able to study the Bible, the more we should. The more we are able to study religion, philosophy, physics, etc. in general, the more we should.

I do not duck and hide from the doctrine of the Trinity. I am not able to explain it as well as someone like Ravi Zacharias, nor am I able to address it to the satisfaction of critics like Migisi and Pink - but that is NOT the standard by which one should judge the worthiness of a belief. I do not need Migisi's or Pink's validation to continue in my belief in the Trinity, nor does any other Christian following this discussion.

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» pink101 - Learn To Trust

In response to Learn To Trust posted by BrianTubbs:
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I do not need Migisi's or Pink's validation to continue in my belief in the Trinity, nor does any other Christian following this discussion.
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Perspective is an interesting concept. There are those who might say that I have posted quite a bit to support the idea of the Trinity.
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Like the apostle Paul, when I interact with Migisi, I try to use words and phrases that are meaningful to her and the same is true when I relate with you.
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You have brought up the idea of how Paul admonishes us to study to show ourselves workmen that have no cause for shame when tests come down on us. C.I. Scoffield--that great War Horse of the "Lord"--used that scripture to prove that part of the Bible is addressed to Jews and part of it is addressed to Gentiles.
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You also touch on the idea of how Christians are persecuted by those who mock them. I think that is not very becoming to you.
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-- posted by pink101

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» Migisi - Learn To Trust

In response to Learn To Trust posted by BrianTubbs:

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I do not need Migisi's or Pink's validation to continue in my belief in the Trinity, nor does any other Christian following this discussion.
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You, Pastor Bri, can believe whatever you want. Just like anyone else can. But if you're going to preach it, at least be able to explain it so the not-so-intellectually 'gifted' people like me can understand it.
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Mockery, indeed.

-- posted by Migisi

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» Brian Tubbs - Intellectual Ability

In response to Learn To Trust posted by Migisi:

If I was putting anyone down by my reference to intellectual ability, it was myself. In re-reading my post, I see I didn't make that clear.

I am not insulting the intellectual ability of Migisi, Pink, or anyone else here. Only my own.

Like I said in the post, I - me, myself, yours truly - am not able to explain and articulate the Trinity as well as other more intellectually gifted Christian scholars can. This is my limitation, but it is not a limitation on the doctrine.

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» pink101 - Intellectual Ability

In response to Intellectual Ability posted by BrianTubbs:
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In other words, you WILL understand it in the hereafter. Right?
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My point exactly?
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No sense in kicking against the pricks.
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-- posted by pink101

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» Brian Tubbs - Your point...partly

In response to Intellectual Ability posted by pink101:

You are partly correct, Pink, but you took your point to an extreme and it had an air of mockery to it - which was not justified.

I do not believe one needs to FULLY and COMPLETELY understand a concept in order to embrace it.

However...I also don't think a person is justified to ignore evidence, logic, and/or powerful arguments that contradict one's beliefs.

I understand the Trinity ENOUGH to know that it relies on spirituality and a multi-dimensional framework, in order for it to be plausible. In a single-dimensional, fully NATURAL framework, the doctrine makes no sense whatever. I understand that. But since I accept the existence of the supernatural and therefore a whole other dimension to existence outside of our own, I see that the Trinity is plausible. This allows me to credibly embrace it - and preach it.

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» pink101 - Your point...partly

In response to Your point...partly posted by BrianTubbs:

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I don't have any problem with the idea that a person embraces something they don't understand--even very well.
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I first embraced my wife long, long ago and I still don't understand her completely; but, she is the best.
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But, you make a curious statement with this comment: However...I also don't think a person is justified to ignore evidence, logic, and/or powerful arguments that contradict one's beliefs.
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How does that play with evolutionary theory compared to Creationism?
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Mockery is another word for blasphemy, right?
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-- posted by pink101

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» Brian Tubbs - Mockery and blasphemy

In response to Your point...partly posted by pink101:

Mockery and blasphemy are not necessarily the same thing, and that was NOT on my mind when I used the word. I felt that you were being very condescending toward people of faith. That's how I took it, and that's what I meant. Nothing more.

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» Brian Tubbs - Creationism

In response to Your point...partly posted by pink101:

I've written several articles on the subject of Creationism. But I will address your question in a separate thread.

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