Protestantism

» pink101 - Bad Name Like Czolgosz

In response to What Migisi "senses" posted by Migisi:
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Peterson is getting to be a bad name like Czolgosz.
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How about that, Brian?
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Didn't think I knew, did you?
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My father told me many years ago that anyone who had the name of Czolgosz (pronounced Schollgosh) changed it to Scholl after the assassination.
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Tragic Case

In response to Tragic Case posted by BrianTubbs:

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I think you'd be shocked and outraged to know how much people get away with - even in your own little town. When I first joined the PD, I reviewed archived police files in order to become familiar with the townspeople. Oh, the skeletons in some people's closets, and the cover ups. And on more than one occasion, I was quietly counseled by my chief to look the other way when it came to prominent wealthy businessmen, public officials, and their families. Tickets were torn up (if they were ever issued), spouse/child abuse incident reports were never written or 'misfiled', complaints suddenly dropped with no explanations, etc. It goes on everywhere.
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Now imagine the magnitude of it at the state, federal, and international level. There's an expression (I'll use family-friendly words)... "Feces floats". The higher one is, the more feces there is.

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - So ---- ?

In response to Tragic Case posted by Migisi:
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So, what do you think, Officer Migisi?
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Are there any innocent people in prison or are 99.99% of them guilty?
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And, do the prosecutors ever know they are going after an innocent person who might be guilty of other petty crimes or maybe someone they just don't want on the street?
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Or is that a stretch?
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - ASSUMPTIONS

In response to ASSUMPTIONS posted by BrianTubbs:
Interestingly, if the three of you (Migisi, Phil, and Paper Turtle) discredit Paul and/or challenge that he speaks for Christian doctrine, then YOU are merely fueling my point that opposition to the death penalty involves reducing the Bible's influence or authority on the issue.
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I must've overlooked this remark (thanks PT).
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It think it's absolutely ~necessary~ to reduce (even eliminate) the Bible's influence or authority over our secular laws. As i see it, if we allow a predominant religion or sacred text to dictate law, we're no different than the sectarian nations which demand (as examples) hands be cut off for theft, women to be killed for not wearing certain traditional dress, etc. Imagine if we allowed Mosaic Laws in the Bible to govern us!!

-- posted by Migisi

» Migisi - So ---- ?

In response to So ---- ? posted by pink101:
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Are there any innocent people in prison or are 99.99% of them guilty?
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Yes, there are innocent people in prison.
FBI Puts Hundreds of Innocent People in Jail
http://www.enews20.com/news_FBI_Puts_Hun...
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Personally, I have no idea how many inmates are innocent or guilty. Does anyone? But, given the chance for error, I'd rather err on the side of life. Imagine if I fell victim to human or technical error - and was sentenced to death.
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Here's a vivid and true example of what I'm talking about... and how ironic it came up only yesterday...
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Yesterday, my son showed me a pic on My Space and asked me who it was. I identified the young man in the pic as my son. It was NOT my son. It was a young man living two towns away. The resemblance what uncanny and shocking, Pink!! My son's girlfriend had brought it to his attention because she'd seen this young man in the shopping mall. She'd even approached him thinking it was my son and hugged him!! I KNOW my son. I see him every day. But even I, his own mother, misidentified the young man in the picture, Pink! Imagine if this young man committed a capital crime, and my son was accused of it.
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And, do the prosecutors ever know they are going after an innocent person who might be guilty of other petty crimes or maybe someone they just don't want on the street?
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Yes!! I know an assistant state's attorney who resigned his position and moved out-of-state after a high-profile murder case. He was convinced that an accused man had not committed this murder. Sure, the accused was guilty of lesser crimes, but not this one. The state's attorney pushed hard to close the case quickly due to media pressure. It was an election year. The accused became the ~only~ suspect, evidence was fabricated, and the man was convicted. A couple of years later, the real murderer confessed after being caught for killing someone else.

-- posted by Migisi

» Brian Tubbs - Religious influence on Law and Policy

In response to ASSUMPTIONS posted by Migisi:

It think it's absolutely ~necessary~ to reduce (even eliminate) the Bible's influence or authority over our secular laws.

First...this discussion originated from a blog that was written as a critique of Desmond Tutu's RELIGIOUS arguments concerning the death penalty. This discussion then has been in the context of religious or (to the point) Christian and biblical interpretations of the death penalty.

That said...there is a legal or political component to this issue, since Desmond Tutu himself is taking his moral and religious argument against the death penalty into the realm of international law.

Does he have the right to do this? I think it's completely unrealistic to expect that people will leave their faith-based moral convictions at the door to the voting booth. And they shouldn't be expected to do so. An individual voter and/or citizen should be allowed to bring their religious values to bear on policy questions, without restriction.

In Tutu's case, we have a LEADER who is bringing his religious convictions to bear in the policy arena. I think this is just fine. Whether I agree with Tutu or not, he has a right to have his voice heard - and the fact that his voice is informed by religion should not be held against him.

» _Boanerges_ - Religious influence on Law and Policy

In response to Religious influence on Law and Policy posted by BrianTubbs:

It think it's absolutely ~necessary~ to reduce (even eliminate) the Bible's influence or authority over our secular laws.

would you name a few examples that you feel are detrimental to the American culture/society?....

tanks

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» Brian Tubbs - Clarification on Wendell's question

In response to Religious influence on Law and Policy posted by _Boanerges_:
For clarification, this is a request of Migisi, right? If you're asking me, I can't think of any instances where the Bible's influence has been bad for society.

Of course, there have been people who have misused and distorted the Bible - and they (the people) have been bad for society.

» _Boanerges_ - Wendell's question was to Mig.. or whoever wants it! :)

In response to Clarification on Wendell's question posted by BrianTubbs:

Hi Brian.. sorry.. yes.. I was responding to Mig.... Obviously I agree with you on this one!.... (and most everything else)...

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» paper_turtle - Brian

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I've posted two responses to your earlier messages--posts #34 and #35. They are rather lengthy; sorry 'bout that.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle