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» redback - It Wasn't Necessary

In response to It Wasn't Necessary posted by pink101:

Yes it's what Yeshuaman calls MPD - 'multiple personality disorder' except he says it is solely a spiritual problem and not a medical one. That's the issue he's arguing or claiming without argument. This type of belief may underpin other beliefs.

-- posted by redback

» redback - MPD Salvation

In response to MPD Salvation posted by Migisi:

Of course, Thorndike (an alleged doctor) is like others here, who falsely believes schizophrenia is a split personality...it's not. And he actually goes on to describe what the medical profession used to call MPD until religion wrested it for its own. Re-directs money from to the doctor to the church coffers.

Its one thing to have delusions of faith and other things...and being ipso facto occupied by a foreign mind be they 'alters', Satan...even you. When you are on my mind...tis surely different than when you are IN my mind?

I woulda laughed during his sermon too but you know some of this stuff has serious spinoffs. The church seeks out the weak and downtrodden for special attention...exorcism?

-- posted by redback

» Migisi - MPD Salvation

In response to MPD Salvation posted by redback:

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Of course, Thorndike (an alleged doctor) is like others here
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Like his essay, and Landover itself, the Thorndike character is a spoof.
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I believe you expressed interest in Adam's Belly-botton some time ago. Read Dr. Fred Neiman's acclaimed essay on "Pre-Post-and Mid-Umbilicism (the three important positions on the question of Adam's belly-button)". http://www.landoverbaptist.org/sermons/n...
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Staying on topic (whatever that is now?), here's other essays on demon possession:
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/subjectar...
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Re-directs money from to the doctor to the church coffers.
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Robbing Dr. Peter to pay St. Paul... or is that Pay Pal? Heh heh.
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When you are on my mind...tis surely different than when you are IN my mind?
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When I'm OUT of my mind, feel free to move IN. We'll do a 'time share'. One condition: clean up after your selves. (wink)
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I woulda laughed during his sermon too but you know some of this stuff has serious spinoffs.
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Indeed, I know the seriousness first-hand.
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The church seeks out the weak and downtrodden for special attention...exorcism?
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Does the church seek them out? Or, do the weak and downtrodden seek the church... cuz the counseling and soup are free. (sarcasm)

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - That MPD Thread

In response to MPD Salvation posted by Migisi:
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I thought that MPD thread was interesting in that Yeshuaman claimed that he had the cure for the "dysfunction" if that is what it is.
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We all have multiple personalities if we know it or not, that is, in so far as a personality is an expression of a self. So, I use the word, self, to denote the word, personality.
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When we were very young children, we began the process of the development of our separate selfs. What child has not when they were alone taken on different roles in play? Children are very inventive. They can take the role of a policeman and a robber and arrest their self in their play.
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As we grow to adult hood, we continue to take on separate roles as we relate with various people in our social relationships. Some times, we're the father or mother and some times the cousin or sibling. That is very normal for everyone of us. The problem turns into one of MPD when those separate roles we carried out as children continue into our adulthood. For whatever reason, we might create a role that develops well beyond our original purposes--and it gets out of control.
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Now, the Yeshuaman claims that his cure takes care of all the disintegration that might exist in any person. Or, at least that is the way I read his comments. Maybe he would come to this site and explain his position. In my opinion, I think what he claims is a form of bondage to some ideology.
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-- posted by pink101

» redback - That MPD Thread

In response to That MPD Thread posted by pink101:

"We all have multiple personalities if we know it or not, that is, in so far as a personality is an expression of a self."

We can all be many things when many things are used as 'definitions'.

People come along to church and act out or play out many characters or public personas...not necessarily quite the same thing as having a disorder...the inherent part of MPD. But if we assume a disorder is most likely to exist by the fact a person may visit a church, tis easier to get the person to fit the label.

Yeshuaman talks of thousands being helped...into or out of bondage is my question.

-- posted by redback

» redback - MPD Salvation

In response to MPD Salvation posted by Migisi:

"We can only hope and wait for that great day when the announcement is made, "We have the lint ball! We have the lint ball!""

Where do you find these websites?! ABC

"Staying on topic (whatever that is now?)..."

This is not a matter about feelings but of seeking objective fact. Some are either physically possessed by the Devil so have sin within...or are "possessed" by mental illness so have thoughts of sin within.

-- posted by redback

» pink101 - Enduring Faith?

In response to MPD Salvation posted by redback:
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One of the reasons why it is important for a christian to be a regular and attending member of a church body has to do with the creation and the maintenance of the self.
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I think that Yeshuaman puts a pointer on an important issue of self identity. One of the points, George Herbert Mead makes in his work on the "emergent self" is that it is the product of the social group to which a person belongs. We could predict that any avowed christian who doesn't maintain a regular membership with others in a social group situation of like minded individuals will eventually move away from their christian beliefs. In other words, in order to maintain an enduring faith, a christian must be churched.
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - MPD Salvation

In response to MPD Salvation posted by redback:
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Where do you find these websites?! ABC
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I'm always hunting for humor. Once in a while, I find some. Landover makes me laugh.
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Some are either physically possessed by the Devil so have sin within...or are "possessed" by mental illness so have thoughts of sin within.
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The Catholic Church believes in infant 'baptismal exocism' in response to 'original sin' (see #2 at link below) == your reference to 'sin within'. But not only are people possessed (and exorcized), but things and places...
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http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05709a.h...
(quote) "According to Catholic belief demons or fallen angels retain their natural power, as intelligent beings, of acting on the material universe, and using material objects and directing material forces for their own wicked ends; and this power, which is in itself limited, and is subject, of course, to the control of Divine providence, is believed to have been allowed a wider scope for its activity in the consequence of the sin of mankind. Hence places and things as well as persons are naturally liable to diabolical infestation, within limits permitted by God, and exorcism in regard to them is nothing more than a prayer to God, in the name of His Church, to restrain this diabolical power supernaturally, and a profession of faith in His willingness to do so on behalf of His servants on earth.
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"The chief things formally exorcised in blessing are water, salt, oil, and these in turn are used in personal exorcisms, and in blessing or consecrating places (e.g. churches) and objects (e.g. altars, sacred vessels, church bells) connected with public worship, or intended for private devotion. Holy water, the sacramental with which the ordinary faithful are most familiar, is a mixture of exorcised water and exorcised salt; and in the prayer of blessing, God is besought to endow these material elements with a supernatural power of protecting those who use them with faith against all the attacks of the devil. This kind of indirect exorcism by means of exorcised objects is an extension of the original idea; but it introduces no new principle, and it has been used in the Church from the earliest ages." (end)
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So, if you want a cheap cure ($1 + tax) for every spiritual and mental malady, drink a bottle of holy water...
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Divine Drink Causes a Stir -- Heavenly Inspiration or Petty Pandering? California Company Markets Holy Water by the Bottle
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id...
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"There's a sucker born every minute...and two to take 'em."
- con-man Joseph Bessimer (not P.T. Barnum)

-- posted by Migisi

» redback - Enduring Faith?

In response to Enduring Faith? posted by pink101:

" think that Yeshuaman puts a pointer on an important issue of self identity."

I won't put too much into what Yeshuaman says without his input...and I don't know the male Mead. Had a quick read of...Wiki Mead. Is he kin to THE Margaret Mead who had a better grasp of understandable English.

What I was reading into Yeshuaman wasn't 'self-identity' but another's (possibly premature) 'diagnosis' of another's identity. I ponder 'learned behaviour' and 'inner tyrant' and a countless host of other descriptors. For my many, varied purposes.

"...For Mead, existence in community comes before individual consciousness..." Que???

Social philosophy expressed in these terms leaves me cold and seems a purpose unto itself. By the time I try to translate it to the concept of belonging we inherently have to a 'social group' I end up too far removed from the topic. 'Belong'(ing) your term, 'existence', Mead's. I understand too things like un-met needs. Just because we think we have a sense of belonging...we may NOT belong.

I'd probably prefer to refresh my memory on studies of twins before embracing cultural determinisms of one sort or another. I don't have problems understanding how community/society shapes us...into a whole range of different "shapes"...but the jury's still out for me re the chicken and egg of this.

"...in order to maintain an enduring faith, a christian must be churched."

I accept your "churching" point. Christianity needs to congregate for re-enforcement, seems to me. From one angle at least, it produces a mass cloning or shaping...but along comes (enduring?) hypocrisy to prove the exception. And here, I don't accept Christianity as a philosophy is inherently hypocritical...just many of its flawed human members. 'Many' is NOT 'most'.

And ponder the palindrome. I guess there is an enduring faith until one becomes faithless ergo it couldn't be enduring?

Unless one can identify where the 'loss of enduring' threshold is via some quality over quantity measure. A garden variety faith...a tenuous faith, still enduring to the concept of Christianity BUT tenuous or HO-HUM to some of its members on some of its doctrine?

-- posted by redback

» redback - MPD Salvation

In response to MPD Salvation posted by Migisi:

My post to Pink is too long.

"So, if you want a cheap cure ($1 + tax) for every spiritual and mental malady, drink a bottle of holy water..."

Have you ever seen a room chocka with 'holy water' from the Holy Lands? I have. Murky on a good day, creepy crawlies another. The stuff was confiscated by Quarantine in the 1970s and stored pending disposal unless the passenger accepted unholy chemical treatment of it.

"I'm always hunting for humor."

So am I. Humour can be found in scary things.

-- posted by redback