Protestantism

» Brian Tubbs - False Teacher Definition

If by "false teacher," we mean "incorrect teachers," then ANYBODY who disagrees with you is, by default, from YOUR point of view, a "false teacher."

But I would not be that harsh or judgmental with respect to most of my fellow Christians.

» Migisi - Migisi's false teachers

In response to Migisi's false teachers posted by BrianTubbs:

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But, perhaps it was a Freudian slip, you false teacher you.
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I thought of Freud's slip too. Great minds think alike. Tee hee.

-- posted by Migisi

» Migisi - False Teacher Definition

In response to False Teacher Definition posted by BrianTubbs:

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If by "false teacher," we mean "incorrect teachers," then ANYBODY who disagrees with you is, by default, from YOUR point of view, a "false teacher."
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Yep. And the preacher you see as a false teacher thinks YOU are the false teacher. In that expanding cycle, everyone is a false teacher. What fun.

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - The Effect of Culture

In response to The Effect of Culture posted by Brother_Jones:
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Your calling is to provide a cultural reason for the evidence that you have good cause for believing Jesus isn't God, Lord, or anything that can really bring sparks to the mind portal.
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What can I say now that you've defined my reality for me? I guess the only left for me to say is that I have met many like you--all of them big headed blow-hards none of whom truly knows what it is they are talking about.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brother_Jones - The Effect of Culture

In response to The Effect of Culture posted by pink101:

many like you--all of them big headed blow-hards none of whom truly knows what it is they are talking about.

Sorry to hear about your friend. He is lucky to have someone like you. I agree with the first part of your blow-hard statement, but I have some reservations about the latter. Maybe I don't truly know you. Okay, I'll agree with that also.

the oldtimer

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» pink101 - Don't Truly Know You

In response to The Effect of Culture posted by Brother_Jones:
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Maybe I don't truly know you.
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How could you when I'm only learning myself about who it is that I am?
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But, I am that I am and I am becoming what I will be and that's the way it always is for each and every one of us.
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-- posted by pink101

» redback - Is Jesus God?

In response to Is Jesus God? posted by Migisi:

I would have liked Brotherjones to give his worthy (to me) opinion on the illness-to-sin ratio AND the above hotlink when he responded to me, but..... The link I found clearly shows its in the mix somewhere even if it's not a "core" Christian belief. Similarly Brian's reference to there being no promise of prayer being answered...is that a core belief? What are core misbeliefs?

I'm also not assuming these 2 separate issues (illness 2 sin AND prayer) are deal breakers either...but they also aint...what's the opposite to deal breaker? A no-brainer FOR Christianity?

"Studies of more than 126,000 people have shown that those who regularly attend church are 29 per cent more likely to live longer than non-churchgoers. A University of Texas study found that church attenders live up to seven years longer than non-attenders, and the most regular attenders have the longest life expectancy."

I think a Texan added that info but here's one from a site I trust:
"...As sin was central to mental illness, religious activity was believed to be central to cure...."
http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/186_...

A different tack, where spirituality actually helps recovery. But I suspect at times a confusion between cause and effect. Kinda like the hotel industry funding AA meetings.

Sometime after Adam slammed the door behind him, illness was created. He had no genetic problems, right? Just as medieval times re surgery etc is fascinating, an historical journey of illness through the Bible's eyes would be interesting...to me.

-- posted by redback

» Brian Tubbs - Clarification on Prayer

In response to Is Jesus God? posted by redback:

I didn't say there was no promise of prayer being answered. I said there the Bible makes no promise that God will end suffering in this present life. I know of many people (myself included) who can testify to answered prayers in their life. But the bottom line is that our hope isn't to be in THIS life, but rather the next.

» EvilChihuahua - Is Jesus God?

In response to Is Jesus God? posted by Migisi:

My longer answer: So are YOU -- according to the preachers:
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"Man was created in the god class, was not created in the animal class, it was the gods class. ..Alright, are we gods? We are a class of gods." (Kenneth Copeland Praise the Lord, TBN, 2/5/1986)
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"when I read in the Bible where He [Jesus] says, `I AM,' I say, `Yes, I AM too!'" (Kenneth Copeland: Spoken during a crusade meeting, 19/7/1987)
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"Every Christian is a god. ... "You don't have a God in you; you are one," (The Force of Love (Fort Worth: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1987, audiotape #02-0028), side 1.)
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"Dogs beget dogs, and cats beget cats, and God begets gods. You are all little gods" (Kenneth Copeland, speaking on Trinity Broadcasting Network's Praise the Lord show)
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"Gods reason for creating Adam was his desire to reproduce himself." I mean a reproduction of Himself. And in the Garden of Eden He did just that. He was not a little like God, He was not almost like God, He was not subordinate to God even...Adam was as much like God as you can get, just the same as Jesus. Adam in the Garden of Eden was God manifested in the flesh" (Kenneth Copeland, Following the faith of Abraham #01-3001 Audio side 1).
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"I am a little messiah walking on earth,..... You are a little god on earth running around (Benny Hinn Praise-a-Thon TBN, Nov. 6 1990)
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"Are you ready for some real revelation knowledge....you are god" (Benny Hinn, "Our Position In Christ", tape # AO31190-1)
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"Let's say, I am a God man.' ...This spirit man within me is a God-Man. ... I'm a God-Man." (Benny Hinn Praise the Lord, TBN, Dec 6 1990).
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"Are you a child of God? Then you're divine! Are you a child of God? Then you're not human!" (Benny Hinn TBN, Dec 1, 1990).
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"We are 'little gods' and even part of God with all the power of God; and we are 'little messiahs,' everything that Jesus ever was." (Hinn, The Berean Call, 1992 Media Spotlight Special Report, Feb 94)
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"God came to earth and touched a piece of dust and turned it into a God." (Benny Hinn TBN, Dec 1, 1990).
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"in each of us is the potentiality to become a God" (Spencer W. Kimbal, President of Mormon church Salt Lake Tribune, October 7, 1974).
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"The Lord created you and me for the purpose of becoming Gods like himself " (Mormonism, Journal of Discourses, vol.3, p.93)
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"God and man are of the same race, differing only in their degree of advancement" (Mormon Apostle, Dr. John Widtsoe Gospel Through the Ages, pg.107
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"To know God, to love God, and to understand God is finally to realize one's own godhood." (Rodney R. Romney, pastor of Seattle's First Baptist Church, journey to Inner Space: Finding Godwin-Us (1986), p. 26.)
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"The believer is called Christ...That's who we are; we're Christ!" (Kenneth M. Hagin, Zoe: The God-Kind of Life (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, Inc., 1989), 35-36, 41.)
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"Man...was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God's presence without any consciousness of inferiority...God has made us as much like Himself as possible...He made us the same class of being that He is Himself!" (Kenneth M. Hagin, Zoe: The God-Kind of Life (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, Inc., 1989), 35-36, 41
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"now I need to make a man to be god in this earth and over all My handiworks." (Creflo Dollar, Our equality with God through righteousness 1/21/2001)
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"God took a reflection of Himself and put it in a physical body formed out of the dust and gave him authority of all physical things on the planet. Now He's made Adam god of the earth (speaking of Adam) he was all God. He was just like God." (Creflo Dollar Our Equality with God Through Righteousness 1/21/2001)
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"what's in the container is just like God." (Creflo Dollar, April 16, 2002 Changing your world LeSea Broadcasting)
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"We are all Gods" (Alice A. Bailey, The Reappearance of the Christ, Lucis Publishing Company, New York, 1948; p. 9)
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"Adam and Eve were placed in the world as the seed and expression of God. Just as dogs have puppies and cats have kittens, so God has little gods; ... Until we comprehend that we are little gods, we cannot manifest the kingdom of God" (Earl Paulk, Satan Unmasked p. 97).

And they say I'm crazy, lol.

I trust what the Bible says. It says I am not a god, as well as saying Jesus was the Christ, the Messiah, the Saviour. He was, and is, God in the flesh. He is part of the trinity: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The Bible hasn't been wrong about anything else, so I trust it is right about this subject.

-- posted by EvilChihuahua

» Migisi - Is Jesus God?

In response to Is Jesus God? posted by EvilChihuahua:
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I trust what the Bible says. It says I am not a god,...
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Read Psalm 82:1 "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods." Interesting. A 'congregation' of 'mighty' gods.
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Then vs 6 - "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." Hence, all believers are the progeny of God - children of the most High - gods by lineage (and created in the most High's image and likeness). But alas, the most High decided to have you 'die like men' (vs 7).
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Jesus repeats and uses Psalm 82:6 for his defense in John 10:34. The Jews were about to stone him for blasphemy - because he said he was God's son. Jesus said, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? 35If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came-and the Scripture cannot be broken- 36what about the one [speaking of himself] whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world?" In other words, if God declared that men of old were his children, and therefore gods, why was it blasphemy for Jesus to claim to be the son of God too? Why would it be heresy for you, Jones, Brian, or any believer in the Bible God, to claim the same?
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Just for discussion...

-- posted by Migisi