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» Brother_Jones - Is Jesus God?

Overwhelmingly, Christians believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. The deity of Jesus Christ is the central premise of orthodox Christianity and has been for all its history.

Lee gives some good ideas on the topic that I hadn't really considered. Probably he is speaking mostly to the older crowd in his books and logic. The younger liberal sort who are all mixed up with the light calorie version of Jesus seem to be just rejecting the bible in total almost like the way sometimes people show their disgust about a rival football team. They just are sick and tired of proud Evangelical Christians and whatever god comes from conservative churches. Unfortunately, most folk who think like that haven't the time or inclination to develop a belief about God or the time for any bible study or worship habits. Their beliefs seem to default to activities like face painting at the park and that becomes a sort of religion with no god, just a little paint on the forehead.

the oldtimer.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» Brian Tubbs - Is Jesus God?

In response to Is Jesus God? posted by Brother_Jones:

Well said, I'm afraid. Well said.

» redback - Is Jesus God?

In response to Is Jesus God? posted by BrianTubbs:

I have 2 of Lee Strobel's books at home. He's a fella who connects dots far more ably than I.

I checked out Mark 2:3-12. My first thought was along the lines of: The chap who was 'sick of the palsy' had undisclosed sins unless the paralysis was one? References to other miracles eg the leper being cured had no element of forgiveness to it. So, was the palsy-affected man a double example of: a miracle AND of Jesus' claim He has the authority to 'forgive' as per your article?

I just have this sense that 'palsy' and sin are intended to be linked here for some purpose. Did the man with palsy simply get more than he bargained for?

-- posted by redback

» EvilChihuahua - Is Jesus God?

In response to Is Jesus God? posted by Brother_Jones:

Is Jesus God?

Short answer: Yes!

-- posted by EvilChihuahua

» pink101 - Going Round and Round

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Talk about going round and round.
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The problem here isn't that most Christians believe that Jesus is God; but, it is how we come to believe what it is that we think constitutes reality in the first place.
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Max Weber, in his famous essay, "'Objectivity' in Social Science and Social Policy", writes, All serious reflection about the ultimate elements of meaningful human conduct is oriented primarily in terms of the categories "end" and "means." We desire something concretely either "for its own sake" or as a means of achieving something else which is more highly desired. The question of the appropriateness of the means for achieving a given end is undoubtedly accessible to scientific analysis. Inasmuch as we are able to determine (within the present limits of our knowledge) which means for the achievement of a proposed end are appropriate or inappropriate, we can in this way estimate the chances of attaining a certain end by certain available means.
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To read the entire essay (It might be difficult for some readers) click on this link and then click on the first bulleted item on the left whcih is, Category of Means and End.
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http://www.ne.jp/asahi/moriyuki/abukuma/...
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I think Weber focuses on the idea of how science and faith are separated by a very thin line. His explanation of how culture affects the "concept-constructs" with which we understand our realities is priceless.
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Is Jesus God?

In response to Is Jesus God? posted by EvilChihuahua:
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Is Jesus God?
Short answer: Yes!
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My longer answer: So are YOU -- according to the preachers:
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"Man was created in the god class, was not created in the animal class, it was the gods class. ..Alright, are we gods? We are a class of gods." (Kenneth Copeland Praise the Lord, TBN, 2/5/1986)
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"when I read in the Bible where He [Jesus] says, `I AM,' I say, `Yes, I AM too!'" (Kenneth Copeland: Spoken during a crusade meeting, 19/7/1987)
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"Every Christian is a god. ... "You don't have a God in you; you are one," (The Force of Love (Fort Worth: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1987, audiotape #02-0028), side 1.)
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"Dogs beget dogs, and cats beget cats, and God begets gods. You are all little gods" (Kenneth Copeland, speaking on Trinity Broadcasting Network's Praise the Lord show)
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"Gods reason for creating Adam was his desire to reproduce himself." I mean a reproduction of Himself. And in the Garden of Eden He did just that. He was not a little like God, He was not almost like God, He was not subordinate to God even...Adam was as much like God as you can get, just the same as Jesus. Adam in the Garden of Eden was God manifested in the flesh" (Kenneth Copeland, Following the faith of Abraham #01-3001 Audio side 1).
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"I am a little messiah walking on earth,..... You are a little god on earth running around (Benny Hinn Praise-a-Thon TBN, Nov. 6 1990)
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"Are you ready for some real revelation knowledge....you are god" (Benny Hinn, "Our Position In Christ", tape # AO31190-1)
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"Let's say, I am a God man.' ...This spirit man within me is a God-Man. ... I'm a God-Man." (Benny Hinn Praise the Lord, TBN, Dec 6 1990).
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"Are you a child of God? Then you're divine! Are you a child of God? Then you're not human!" (Benny Hinn TBN, Dec 1, 1990).
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"We are 'little gods' and even part of God with all the power of God; and we are 'little messiahs,' everything that Jesus ever was." (Hinn, The Berean Call, 1992 Media Spotlight Special Report, Feb 94)
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"God came to earth and touched a piece of dust and turned it into a God." (Benny Hinn TBN, Dec 1, 1990).
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"in each of us is the potentiality to become a God" (Spencer W. Kimbal, President of Mormon church Salt Lake Tribune, October 7, 1974).
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"The Lord created you and me for the purpose of becoming Gods like himself " (Mormonism, Journal of Discourses, vol.3, p.93)
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"God and man are of the same race, differing only in their degree of advancement" (Mormon Apostle, Dr. John Widtsoe Gospel Through the Ages, pg.107
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"To know God, to love God, and to understand God is finally to realize one's own godhood." (Rodney R. Romney, pastor of Seattle's First Baptist Church, journey to Inner Space: Finding Godwin-Us (1986), p. 26.)
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"The believer is called Christ...That's who we are; we're Christ!" (Kenneth M. Hagin, Zoe: The God-Kind of Life (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, Inc., 1989), 35-36, 41.)
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"Man...was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God's presence without any consciousness of inferiority...God has made us as much like Himself as possible...He made us the same class of being that He is Himself!" (Kenneth M. Hagin, Zoe: The God-Kind of Life (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, Inc., 1989), 35-36, 41
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"now I need to make a man to be god in this earth and over all My handiworks." (Creflo Dollar, Our equality with God through righteousness 1/21/2001)
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"God took a reflection of Himself and put it in a physical body formed out of the dust and gave him authority of all physical things on the planet. Now He's made Adam god of the earth (speaking of Adam) he was all God. He was just like God." (Creflo Dollar Our Equality with God Through Righteousness 1/21/2001)
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"what's in the container is just like God." (Creflo Dollar, April 16, 2002 Changing your world LeSea Broadcasting)
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"We are all Gods" (Alice A. Bailey, The Reappearance of the Christ, Lucis Publishing Company, New York, 1948; p. 9)
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"Adam and Eve were placed in the world as the seed and expression of God. Just as dogs have puppies and cats have kittens, so God has little gods; ... Until we comprehend that we are little gods, we cannot manifest the kingdom of God" (Earl Paulk, Satan Unmasked p. 97).
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(Quotes from a Christian site: Let Us Reason Ministries, http://www.letusreason.org/WF31.htm )

-- posted by Migisi

» Brother_Jones - Is Jesus God?

In response to Is Jesus God? posted by Migisi:

My longer answer: So are YOU -- according to the preachers:

Your list of preachers needs to be qualified as the known 'nut' preachers.

the oldtimer.

-- posted by Brother_Jones