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» pink101 - Phenomenology

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It was interesting to me that in another thread, Migisi had claimed a certain thought had originated with her and, Brother Jones found that difficult to believe--he wanted her to come up with some outside source for her thinking. He directly questioned her about that.
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There is a concept comes out of France about a hundred years ago called Phenomenology. The idea is that the Self, as such, does not really exist; but, that it is a construct of society.
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So, Brother Jones, do you think that Migisi is capable of originating thoughts or do you think that she merely apes what already is out there floating around to be claimed?
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-- posted by pink101

» Brother_Jones - Phenomenology

In response to Phenomenology posted by pink101:

So, Brother Jones, do you think that Migisi is capable of originating thoughts

We are made in the image of God, so the bible tells us.

Migisi believes in some sort of Creator. He could be a he, a she, or an it. My money is on the It, because an It is easier to explain as a sort of one cell fungi type of god thing that only moves a couple of inches every thousand years and allows human beings to trample It because It has not really the mind or energy to bring suffering love to the table. It is late enough in the game that It has become disinterested in what it created. Those that follow the It god eventually become disinterested in God in my view. Wisdom for them, is growing old with the belief that everything is a shade of golden hues of melancholy. It is all pretty good. Man is basically good, despite the obvious evidence all around us. No worry, just be happy. Join me now in round of 'Coom by ya.' Who will start the first note?

Come forth Migisi and Pinky and start your song for this day. Your public awaits. And just think, the whole idea of It, started in your mind and heart.

the oldtimer.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» pink101 - Whuddahyuhsay?

In response to Phenomenology posted by Brother_Jones:
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Aside from the fact that you evaded my question, you still point to one of the main questions in phenomenology with your closing statement.
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Come forth Migisi and Pinky and start your song for this day. Your public awaits. And just think,the whole idea of It, started in your mind and heart. (My emphasis)
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It did? Are you sure?
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The entire point is about where the Self, as a being, gets started.
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My surmise is that you believe the Self is created by God and that it is eternally and irrevocably combined with the Soul which is the being of concern in the act of Salvation.
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So, humor me, Brother Jones. Is that--pretty much--a correct interpretation of your belief regarding the Self? It seems from reading what you have to say about Migisi's ability to have original thoughts that you believe the human can be influenced by outside forces and, that you strongly believe that the Self has no ability to have original thoughts. Yet, it seems you believe the Self is an entity that already exists before the individual is delivered at birth.
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I think this is a good area of concern for all of us.
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Whuddahyuhsay?
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-- posted by pink101

» Brother_Jones - Whuddahyuhsay?

In response to Whuddahyuhsay? posted by pink101:

Yet, it seems you believe the Self is an entity that already exists before the individual is delivered at birth.

You would be hard pressed to find a Christian that didn't believe in Jer 1:5 where the Lord says He knew us in the womb and appointed us 'for duty,' which is my paraphrase which originated in my heart and mind today. Certainly, it is not a good idea to say that human beings cannot create original thought about God. We are made in the image of a Creator God and so we are creative. But the bible teaches that the creation, itself, is not God. He stands apart from it as the Inventor and Creator. When evil came aboard the planet, there is now hell to pay. This is what separates your thinking from mine. I do follow the teaching in the bible. You don't. You are apt to buy into any and all types of thinking as long as it doesn't reflect the God of the bible. That appears to be your choice in life, and I assume you figure some original thought went into your religious belief to call Jesus a mere man, and meditate a little on some other god.

i'm the oldtimer.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» pink101 - An Idea For You

In response to Whuddahyuhsay? posted by Brother_Jones:
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This is what separates your thinking from mine. I do follow the teaching in the bible. You don't. You are apt to buy into any and all types of thinking as long as it doesn't reflect the God of the bible. That appears to be your choice in life.
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You don't see it, do you?
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On the one hand, you're saying our ideas come from our exposure to society and, on the other, you're saying that we have original thoughts.
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This is an idea for you--that--I am sure, provides you with some anxiety and confusion. It's probably best for your biblical approach to reality that you don't entertain too many thoughts about it. It is a broad area that also involves the ideas of determinism and personality: pre-destination and free-will. It also involves the biblical invocation go into all the world and to preach the Gospel; which, in an important way is the creation of other selfs. You can think about it a little or you can dismiss it altogether. But, on what basis do you make your decision? Is it a personal choice for you, or have you been conditioned to respond in a certain way? Some people have to take the question to the preacher to get his instruction.
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Now, how is it that your life has any meaning, Bob? Does it come from the inside or from the outside?
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Where does the Scripture say that if Christ sets us free we are free indeed?
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Free from what, Brother Jones?
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What is the Old Man and what is the New? Boanerges approached that question in another thread where he was lecturing Migisi about human nature.
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Like I said, a broad area.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Afraid To Live Beyond Your Ideologies?

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It is a difficult task for persons in bondage to imagine what it means to live beyond their ideologies.
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In fact, what can it possibly mean to live beyond the ideologies that one has been taught to believe are the constituents of reality?
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But, just to understand the question is to admit to the fact of what it means to be in bondage.
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Here--at this site--we find participants locked into an ideology that keeps them in bondage so that they are unable to think for themselves. Instead, they are forced to search the Bible to find out about their own identity. They are not free to be.
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Are you afraid to live beyond your ideologies?
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - The Inculcations of A Restricted Realuity

In response to Afraid To Live Beyond Your Ideologies? posted by pink101:

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The inculcations of a restricted reality put the child in bondage to whatever is preached--from extremes to extremes dependent only on the drives of the socializers in charge.
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THAT--exactly--is how the self is created. And, once created, off it goes in charge of every choice the prisoner is given.
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THERE--you have the "Old Man" that the Bible speaks about. The one that is not a true representation of the individual involved; but, a created persona doing the bidding that was inculcated into its mind when it was so defenseless to think for itself. This walking automaton is incapable of making decision outside the parameters that have been so carefully outlined by its creators. Any question--WHATSOEVER--about reality must be cleared through a careful search of Scripture to make sure no errant path is taken. THIS--is the Old Man of Scripture.
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WATCH--the persona as it defends its place of bondage claiming that it had some role of choice in making up its mind as it searches for Scripture to defend the chains that hold it so tightly.
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JESUS claims to have come to set the prisoner free from bondage.
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Am I missing something?
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - A Concept Called Separation

In response to The Inculcations of A Restricted Realuity posted by pink101:

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There is a concept called separation in which the self is able to act outside the controls of the bondage in which the Old Man is held.
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This is the action of liberty itself to be able to recognize that one is free from the inculcations of the past.
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But, in these actions, the Old Man rises up with threats to keep the person in bondage. Otherwise, the person is about to fall away--to slide back into a world of sinful disobedience.
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Think about it.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - This Thread

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And, this thread, which is so directly involved in what Christianity is all about. Where is there any interest?
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Old Bob was here for a while; but, he seems to have been scared off.
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-- posted by pink101