Protestantism

» pink101 - The Likes of You

In response to exquisite balance posted by Brother_Jones:
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What hope do you have since you cannot seem to grasp reality?
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Just a cotton pickin' minuter there, Ol' Bob.
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Who in blazes do you think you are writing that I cannot grasp reality? If you mean that as a result of my not buying into your fairy tale belief of reality that I'm the one with the problem--then--you are actually part of the world's problem in and of your own self.
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I have a firm grasp on reality. I don't have to hide in some child like world of magic make believe in which the good god fights with the bad god for control of your eternal soul. I can live with the undiscovered truths of existence as I accept my mortality. I don't have to buy the big guy in the sky theories of the religionists of the world. I am able to accept discovery as it comes into being. YOU are one of the ones who balk at progress. And, as a consequence, you are the one who not only cannot grasp reality; but, you run as fast as you can from the prospect that you might just discover it and you seek other who are just as afraid to face it as are you. Bam!
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Or haven't you noticed. Everything here seems mostly centered around your belief in the stories told around the camp fires of ancient nomadic tribes that lived in the Semite Valley.
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You have a problem looking to our most educated and highly skilled scientific minds for any answers at all preferring to believe fairy tale explanations of reality.
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It would be a joke if there weren't so many who chime in with you. Groups like the one to which you claim membership are the ones that are destroying the peace that we would otherwise live in. The shame goes to the likes of you.
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And, to top it all off? I am able to come to the conclusion that human beings develop morality as a means of getting along with each other--it isn't for killing my god's enemies.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brother_Jones - The Likes of You

In response to The Likes of You posted by pink101:

You have a problem looking to our most educated and highly skilled scientific minds

I must admit that maybe I entered the discussion with my intuitive side a little heavy. I thought you were going to discuss Humanism. I was trying to give you a little boost up on it. These threads sometimes tend to drag a little on these types of topics. We need a primer on this subject, and I was just trying to help a little. Maybe migisi will come along and post some internet stuff to get us started and we can try to locate the boundaries of the discussion of your beliefs, which appear to be a minority view in our country.

I was just trying to help, Pinky.

the oldtimer.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» pink101 - Flesh It Out

In response to The Likes of You posted by Brother_Jones:
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I thought you were going to discuss Humanism.
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We ARE discussing Humanism.
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I was trying to give you a little boost up on it.
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No, you weren't. You were trying to insult me with your remark about me not having any hope and not having a grasp on reality.
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"We need a primer on this subject..."
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We've had a primer on the subject with all the biblicism and the interpretations given it by the religionists who post and that have posted here.
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We have been taught by the likes of you that Humanism is a negative philosophy on life and I have asked and am continuing to ask you what is so wrong with Humanism that you use it in such a negative way.
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Maybe migisi will come along and post some internet stuff to get us started and we can try to locate the boundaries of the discussion of your beliefs, which appear to be a minority view in our country.
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Maybe. But, we can flesh it out. I need to practice giving voice to the important questions being raised here. So, I'm all for it.
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I started my post out with the fact that it is a struggle to surface the questions about getting a handle on our political candidates ideas of reality. When some candidate runs for important political office in our country who happens to share the crazy fairy tale stories about reality that the likes of you believe, I think the public has a right to know it--all the way. If the president of our country believes that Jesus is about to return to earth with the blasts of trumpets to lead an army to victory against the Muslims hoards, I think I have a right to know that.
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And, the other question I am asking here is, "How in the world can I even raise the question without looking like I am one of those idiots that believe in the values held forth by Humanism?" The question is especially poignant when one considers that I am representing a "minority view in our country".
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I was just trying to help, Pinky.
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Great! Then, perhaps you will address yourself to this post and the questions I have raised in it.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brother_Jones - Flesh It Out

In response to Flesh It Out posted by pink101:

We have been taught by the likes of you that Humanism is a negative philosophy on life and I have asked and am continuing to ask you what is so wrong with Humanism that you use it in such a negative way.

Humanism-a system of thought based on nature, dignity, interests, and ideals of man; specifically, a modern, nontheistic, rationalistic movement that holds man supreme and capable of self-fullfillment, ethical conduct, etc., without recourse to supernaturalism.

Pinky, I found this definition on a Christian apolegetic site. I wouldn't want to use it unless you and others feel and believe that it somehow gets close to the belief of humanism. My only objection to the definition is the use of the 'etc' which seems odd and a little lame. Maybe somebody else can give a better description of this belief system held by a minority of Americans.

the oldtimer.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» pink101 - Kiss Our Boo-Boos

In response to Flesh It Out posted by Brother_Jones:
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Humanism-a system of thought based on nature, dignity, interests, and ideals of man; specifically, a modern, non-theistic, rationalistic movement that holds man supreme and capable of self-fulfillment, ethical conduct, etc., without recourse to supernaturalism.
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I'm not sure that I agree one hundred percent with the noticeable bias; but, it looks o.k. to me. I'm not so sure that it completely rules out the supernatural or any divinities; but, you don't see too many humanists praying in their closets that some god will intervene in one or more of life's troublesome areas. We don't ask any god to kiss our boo-boos to make them go away.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brother_Jones - Cancer and Heart Disease

In response to Kiss Our Boo-Boos posted by pink101:

I'm not sure that I agree one hundred percent with the noticeable bias; but, it looks o.k. to me. I'm not so sure that it completely rules out the supernatural or any divinities; but, you don't see too many humanists praying in their closets that some god will intervene in one or more of life's troublesome areas. We don't ask any god to kiss our boo-boos to make them go away.

Good, very good.

A starting place to figure that folks like you submit to Science and Research when the going gets a little rough in the health area. Not a prayer? Or maybe prayer after everything else goes haywire? No need for the One? (i guess i should ask migisi).

the oldtimer.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» pink101 - Christian Secularism?

In response to Cancer and Heart Disease posted by Brother_Jones:
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Well, first off, I suppose a Humanist could be a Christian, Muslim, or--especially--a Jew.
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I don't know about ALL Muslims; but, I know there are Christians and Jews that don't believe in the supernatural as a force.
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I think I probably mentioned before that I studied hypnosis. I understand hypnosis and what makes it work. It is formulaic--I know how to perform it. And, I know that Benny Hinn, for example, practices hypnosis in his healing services.
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"The cultural origins of the concept of hypnosis
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"The creation of a distinct concept of hypnosis owes its existence mostly to a charismatic 18th century healer named Franz Anton Mesmer (1734-1815).
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"Mesmer had a deep interest in Paracelsan astrological principles, and the supposed direct influence of heavenly bodies on human health, by means of what were believed by Mesmer and others to be measurable physical forces (as opposed to the subtle forces of later occult doctrines interpreting Mesmerism)."
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That was the guy who talked about Animal Magnetism. Trees were embued with healing powers that people could touch tor healing.
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Here's the link where I got the above quotation: .
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http://www.hypnosis.com/whatishypnosis_h...
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By the way, why is it o.k. for a Jew to be a Humanist; but, not a Christian? Why does a Christian have to believe in the supernatural? Is there no such thing as Christian Secularism?
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Go to this link and scroll down 1/2 page:
http://www.bookrags.com/Animal_magnetism
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-- posted by pink101

» Brother_Jones - Christian Secularism?

In response to Christian Secularism? posted by pink101:

Well, first off, I suppose a Humanist could be a Christian, Muslim, or--especially--a Jew.

Certainly atheism is commom among many Jews.

As to whether humanism and atheism is one and the same, I guess I need some more input from you. I think you are like most people and you acknowledge that some sort of diety might exist, but probably not. However you end up on the question of God, humanists don't need Him. They have each other and themselves to count on in a pinch. No need of Jesus. I suppose that you are claiming that Christians could be humanists because you are thinking that the folks who admire and speak well of Jesus are somehow a member of the body of Christ. It sort of goes along with the migisi' post that supposes Sagan was into his own kind of spirituality because she redefined the concept to fit a known atheist. Spirituality could have changed, I guess. It is a term that is virtually without meaning. You could paint a picture of a duck and call your activity a spiritual activity as long as you repected the colors and the duck. So I suppose since she set the example for thinking about Sagan, your example of a Christian humanism who believes basically nothing ever occurred in the supernatural realm fits you. But it doesn't fit the testimony that anybody gave about Christ.

the oldtimer.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» pink101 - Your Faith

In response to Christian Secularism? posted by Brother_Jones:
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You jump to conclusions in cases where your foundation is faulty and or incomplete. You assume you know what constitutes another person's thinking and you go on from there. That also defines your way of looking at reality.
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If you ask me, your faith seems to be founded on what you were taught as a child. You're stuck. If you try to get unstuck, you will be denying your upbringing and that is unthinkable for you.
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-- posted by pink101

» redback - exquisite balance

In response to exquisite balance posted by pink101:

To me, 'humanism' is a stream of thought...and many streams, eddies, puddles...and muddied waters...may make up one's life. Isn't there such an animal as 'Christian humanism' which might relate to the 'love thy neighbour' edict or even rendering unto Caesar?

"humanism, conjures up one of the most negative philosophies of life that has ever existed."

The Faculty of Humanities here offers many streams of study and probably questions such an attitude. As a retired such student, I know I do.

Maybe the self-named Christian, who dabbles in humanism, risks his very soul? Maybe tis better instead to join those protesting outside the studios here about the imported TV show called 'Californication'. Then watch how there is an exponential increase in viewers as a result of their advertising.

-- posted by redback