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» _Boanerges_ - Atheism and the Meaning of Life

In response to Atheism and the Meaning of Life posted by pink101:

McGrath faults Dawkins saying that science cannot prove anything about God one way or the other.

actually, this is what McGrath said:

Has science disproved God?

McGrath says Darwinism is equally compatible with religious beliefs and with atheism, quoting Gould and Rees in support (pp 30-31) and advocates a view of ""partially overlapping magisteria" (POMA), stating that science and religion offer possibilities of crossfertilization on account of the interpenetration of their subjects and methods."(p 37) He quotes Denis Noble's reformulation of Dawkins' "lumbering robots" trope[11] to show that two statements that "see the world in completely different ways" can be empirically equivalent (p 33) and suggests that "scientific theories do not, and are not intended to, describe and explain "everything about the world" - such as its purpose."[12]

McGrath suggests that rather a lot of scientists do believe in God (including 40% of American scientists).[13] He points out that Owen Gingerich, Francis Collins and Paul Davies had produced theistic books in the same year as The God Delusion.(pp 39-40) and claims that "Dawkins clearly has no mandate whatsoever to speak for the scientific community at this point or on this topic. There is a massive observational discrepancy between the number of scientists that Dawkins believes should be atheists, and those who are so in practice....Dawkins is clearly entrenched in his own peculiar version of a fundamentalist dualism". McGrath also criticises what he terms Dawkins's suggestions of insincerity on the part of Freeman Dyson, Steven Jay Gould, Michael Ruse and John Paul II.

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» pink101 - Atheism and the Meaning of Life

In response to Atheism and the Meaning of Life posted by _Boanerges_:

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O.K.
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» _Boanerges_ - Atheism and the Meaning of Life

In response to Atheism and the Meaning of Life posted by pink101:

McGrath shows why science and faith are compatible and dismisses the notion that Dawkings presents - that it is not...

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» pink101 - Atheism and the Meaning of Life

In response to Atheism and the Meaning of Life posted by _Boanerges_:
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So, what's the big deal. That's what I've been saying right along. And, I catch heck for that from retro-conservatives who hang out here.
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-- posted by pink101

» _Boanerges_ - Atheism and the Meaning of Life

In response to Atheism and the Meaning of Life posted by pink101:

So, what's the big deal. That's what I've been saying right along. And, I catch heck for that from retro-conservatives who hang out here.

After reviewing this discussion.. I would have to agree with Jeff.... I have not seen any 'science and faith' subject matters being discussed....

as usual.. the conversation ended due to the lack of listening to what the other has stated. In this case, Jeff was quite explicit in his statements, for which you seemed to avoid answering his questions/observations....

but.. who am I to say a thing - ey....

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» _Boanerges_ - Advice from an angel

Why so many Americans today are 'mentally ill'
by David Kupelian, August 14, 2007
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...

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Advice from an angel

"An excellent and insightful description of this "tug of war" between Heaven and Hell for the body, mind and soul of each of us is found in the ancient Christian book "The Shepherd of Hermas." Though not part of the canon of the Holy Bible, "Hermas" was widely revered by the early Christians, praised by church leaders like Tertullian, St. Irenæus, Clement of Alexandria and Origen, and was frequently read publicly in early churches to edify the faithful.

A passage describing a conversation between Hermas, a shepherd, and an angel who has been instructing him on how to live a life pleasing to God, is titled "That every man has two angels and of the suggestions of both." The angel says to Hermas:

7 ... There are two angels with man; one of righteousness, the other of iniquity.

8 And I said unto him, Sir, how shall I know that there are two such angels with man? Hear, says he, and understand.

9 The angel of righteousness, is mild and modest, and gentle, and quiet. When, therefore, he gets into thy heart, immediately he talks with thee of righteousness, of modesty, of chastity, of bountifulness, of forgiveness, of charity, and piety.

10 When all these things come into thy heart, know then that the angel of righteousness is with thee. Wherefore hearken to this angel and to his works.

11 Learn also the works of the angel of iniquity. He is first of all bitter, and angry, and foolish; and his works are pernicious, and overthrow the servants of God. When therefore these things come into thine heart; thou shalt know by his works, that this is the angel of iniquity.

12 And I said unto him, Sir, how shall I understand these things? Hear, says he, and understand; When anger overtakes thee, or bitterness, know that he is in thee:

13 As also, when the desire of many things, and of the best meats, and of drunkenness; when the love of what belongs to others, pride, and much speaking, and ambition; and the like things, come upon thee.

14 When therefore these things arise in thine heart, know that the angel of iniquity is with thee. Seeing therefore thou knowest his works, depart from them all, and give no credit to him: because his works are evil, and become not the servants of God.

15 Here therefore thou hast the works of both these angels. Understand now and believe the angel of righteousness, because his instruction is good.

16 For let a man be never so happy; yet if the thoughts of the other angel arise in his heart, that man or woman must needs sin.

17 But let man or woman be never so wicked, if the works of the angel of righteousness come into their hearts, that man or woman must needs do some good.

18 Thou seest therefore how it is good to follow the angel of righteousness. If therefore thou shall follow him, and submit to his works, thou shalt live unto God. And as many as shall submit to his work shall live also unto God."

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» Migisi - Advice from an angel

In response to Advice from an angel posted by _Boanerges_:
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The use of prescribed psyche drugs as a causal factor in the fatal events described in the article is definitely a disturbing and growing problem - too often denied by doctors, pharm-companies, and the FDA.
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However, trading a chemical drug for a supernatural drug is no cure for mental illness, IMO. From what I've observed in my own family, the combination of psyche drugs and religion can cause even more harm.
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Psychiatry professionals have become irresponsible, negligent, and lazy. A ten minute patient consultation ends with a script. Just move the patients quickly in and out of the office, in assembly line fashion. It's all so cost efficient, and a big $ pay off at the end of the day.
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I do enjoy the Indian legend of the battling two wolves mentioned in the conclusion. That parable is true on so many levels.

-- posted by Migisi

» _Boanerges_ - Advice from an angel

In response to Advice from an angel posted by Migisi:

That parable is true on so many levels.

indeed.. and is nearly equal to the angel one above it....

trading a chemical drug for a supernatural drug is no cure for mental illness, IMO.

I agree. But, I do disagree with you reasoning.. not because it is not true, which in many cases is, but.

From what I've observed in my own family, the combination of psyche drugs and religion can cause even more harm.

The truth to this is opposite for me in my experience. So, the question is.. what is the real problem..... That, to me, is the real question....

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» pink101 - Some Science Tells Us

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Some science tells us that up to 80% of all illness can be traced to a condition of the mind and THAT might be why placebos work so well in many cases.
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That might account for the fact that faith healers can get results.
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Christian Science, aka Mary Baker Eddy, accounts for much healing.
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This is an area where Benny Hinn and Richard Dawkins come into conflict with each other.
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With whom do YOU connect?
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-- posted by pink101

» Brother_Jones - 5 Models

In response to 5 Models posted by redback:

...I'm really not wanting to repeat myself here more than 3 times

There is a spirit in every post and in every day where we can choose to become like little children who take off running with the dawn. Those that are pulled down in their daily walk are pulled down by their attitude of thinking that everything is just a circle of society repeating itself and there is no breaking out of the circle of our culture. I do believe that your presence here is akin to the type of spirit that Jesus welcomed when He asked the children to be brought to Him.

Sometimes I get tickled when I think of the days when someone would try to lug an oldster like me up to His lap, when I have just written a post that simply draws a picture of another sad day.

i am just an oldtimer for the Lord.

-- posted by Brother_Jones