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» Brian Tubbs - More on the Issue

In response to More on the Issue posted by pink101:

Me ignoring? I was posting Migisi's comment. Migisi wrote: "That's what the DOD approved...." Not me.

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» pink101 - Chaplains

In response to Chaplains posted by BrianTubbs:

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Migisi doesn't seem capable of giving Christian advocates and ministers the benefit of ANY doubt.
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But, Migisi isn't a Christian. I am.
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» Migisi - More on the Issue

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I'm prone to give the padre the benefit of the doubt.
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The problem originated when the padre allegedly misled the DoD about the intent of the film he wanted to make. It was supposed to be a film about the daily activites of a military chaplain. A 'day in the life' kind of film. That's what his application stated. I say 'allegedly', because it might be that his Christian ~superiors~ changed the original theme from that to a promotional film for the Christian Embassy - which they could use as a conversion tool. I might give the padre the benefit of a doubt - not because he's a Christian chaplain (so what?) - but if there was the slightest evidence that he was pressured by superiors. But from what I've read in the official DoD findings, there's no such evidence, or even a hint. But then, the DoD protects 'their own', so I don't expect the truth.
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Secondly, DoD policy and law prohibits the promotion of any specific religion by -uniformed- officers. In civies, they can proselytise and preach all they want. But by appearing in uniform in this film, it strongly impresses upon viewers that the DoD is a Christian military force, and is promoting Christianity. The officers broke the law, period. Whomever did what, the major players in this were Christians.
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The problem seems to have more to do with the high ranking officers who carry their religion in front of those in their commands.
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And the pressure they place upon nonChristian troops to conform and convert through intimidation. You're not part of 'the team' if you don't. And you and I know what that means.
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...Regency Law School? Did you know that school is under the auspices of the Reverend Robertson who is a Dominionist?
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I didn't know it, but I'm not surprised. Nothing shocks me anymore.

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» Migisi - Chaplains

In response to Chaplains posted by BrianTubbs:
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Option 3: Allow the diversity, and simply ask chaplains to be "sensitive" to the diversity within the military
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And that's exactly what Weinstein and others support. They aren't asking to ban all religion in the military. The issue here is not really with the chaplains, but with their superiors in the Pentagon who deem it their 'duty' to convert all nonChristians and make the US military the army of the Christian God. The problem starts at the top - with their Commander and Chief.

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» pink101 - Chaplains

In response to Chaplains posted by Migisi:
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What if the Commander-In-Chief happened to be a Muslim?
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What then?
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How would that affect our military?
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» Migisi - Chaplains

In response to Chaplains posted by pink101:

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Even worse... what if the CiC was a woman! (wink)

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» Brian Tubbs - Woman CiC

In response to Chaplains posted by Migisi:

Condi Rice?

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» Brian Tubbs - Conversion

The way it has been communicated to me...

As a Christian chaplain in the US Army (when I become one - I'm still a chaplain candidate), I can advocate my faith perspective as much as I want within a "voluntary" context. Meaning that if soldiers come to my chapel services, field services, Bible studies, and/or ask me questions - I can answer according to my faith. And, yes, invite them to accept Christ.

If, however, we're talking about a command function or some non-voluntary, compulsory context, then I'm asked NOT to "proselyte." I am in that case to be respectfully sensitive to the diversity of the military.

I have NO problem with those terms.

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» pink101 - Diversity Of The Military

In response to Conversion posted by BrianTubbs:

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Having been in the military, I am quite familiar with the routine.
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We were trained to respect chaplains for their rank and not their persuasion.
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I don't ever remember an officer or a superior non-com making any comment about God or any thing religious except on the first Sunday morning in Boot Camp when we were marched to the chapel for services that we stopped in front of the Jewish Synagogue and the drill instructor asked us if anyone wanted to attend. No one volunteered and he asked a second and third time--still no one volunteered. Then he called a specific boot out and asked him why he had put Jewish down on his enlistment form. The D.I. made an example of the guy and told him never to be ashamed of his religious faith and sent him in to the synagogue for services
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BTW, we had to sit at attention in the chapel as we listened to the Chaplain give his sermon. lol
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The military is something else.
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It makes a great career if you can get past the chicken s&^#.
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» Brian Tubbs - Diversity Of The Military

In response to Diversity Of The Military posted by pink101:

I changed that last word, if you don't mind. Let's keep it family friendly. My 8-year old daughter occasionally looks over my shoulder when I'm typing. I'd rather not explain certain words to her. Okie-dokie?

Back on point...

The military has, I'm sure, changed a bit since you were in. And there are always some commanding officers that will push the boundaries (George Patton comes to mind). Same with NCOs - lots of them will also push boundaries. But, overall, I think the military chaplaincy provides a needed service to our troops in uniform.

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