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» _Boanerges_ - Repeating MY Self

In response to Repeating MY Self posted by pink101:

are one and the same being?

no.. I cannot see how you both are the same.. You are you and she is she.. but, you both share certain experiences, but.. not the same body, mind or even, spirit.. I believe that is obvious even to the causal observer. Again, I believe you are trying to make something as equal again, and if that is so, fine. but.. it would have nothing to do with Christianity. So.. to short end this.. no, I do not have the Trinity.... I believe we are all 'little trinities'.. (mind, body and spirit). You will find that the Gospels are also revealed in this fashion..

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» pink101 - Repeating MY Self

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no..
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So, you are saying that our the relationship I share with my wife is not a being?
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» _Boanerges_ - Repeating MY Self

In response to Repeating MY Self posted by pink101:

So, you are saying that our the relationship I share with my wife is not a being?

a relationship as a being? no.. I see no way that is possible other than speculation.. It is not a Christian concept. I believe it might fall under some sort of pagan thought pattern maybe...

but.. since this is the Protestant section, my reference is in light of what Christianity declares.. And so, I have not seen this referenced anywhere in the scriptures...

so.. no..

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» pink101 - Something That Is?

In response to Repeating MY Self posted by _Boanerges_:
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So, then, what is a being?
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Isn't a being something that is in the process of existence--something that is?
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And, why does it have to be a Christian thing?
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Something like a human in the process of being--what we call a human--being a human?
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-- posted by pink101

» _Boanerges_ - Something That Is?

In response to Something That Is? posted by pink101:

what is a being? Isn't a being something that is in the process of existence--something that is?

well.. is your body a being, or part of that being? if so, then, is it still in process of becoming something? I believe that 'old age' tells us that death is the result of becoming something, as far as physical is concerned. And, since physical is part of being, then.. I cannot see how a relationship can develop into such a thing.. seems more of a metaphysical concept than anything...

And, why does it have to be a Christian thing?

My reference was: "since this is the Protestant section, my reference is in light of what Christianity declares.."

Something like a human in the process of being--what we call a human--being a human?

yes.. well.. the process ends in death.. so.. if one was to become 'something' after death, then, something must be available 'after death'.. If that is true, then there is something that created the 'something'.

So.. with that in mind, and being a Christian, why would I want to speculate on what that something is if I do not believe it exists.. say, the 350million plus gods of Hinduism. How could I possibly come to know of such a 'something' when even time itself would not allow me to know of the 350million some odd gods of Hinduism. And that leaves out a ton of other gods....

so no.. I do not believe a "relationship" can become a "being".... The bible says that it is appointed all men life once, then death and the judgment. As well, the Bible does not indicate that those who are married now, will be married then, even evolving into a newly created being. In fact, the Bible states that we become a new 'creature' at the time of being born again - but is clear the besides this - there is nothing new under the sun....

what more can I say...

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» pink101 - Something That Is?

In response to Something That Is? posted by _Boanerges_:

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what more can I say...
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That you are a human being who it is you are becoming?
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It's a process.
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Do you understand the process of being?
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Something That Is?

In response to Something That Is? posted by pink101:
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Re: your post #48:
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Matthew 19:5 (and Mark 10:7-9) - "...and [Jesus] said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two, but one."
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-- posted by Migisi

» Migisi - Atonement

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All are quotes from:
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.j...
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Atonement Idea Spiritualized.
"...In Mosaic ritualism the atoning blood thus actually meant the bringing about of a reunion with God, the restoration of peace between the soul and its Maker. Therefore, the expiatory sacrifice was accompanied by a confession of the sins for which it was designed to make Atonement..[quotes sources].. "no atonement without confession of sin as the act of repentance," or as Philo... says, "not without the sincerity of his repentance, not by words merely, but by works, the conviction of his soul which healed him from disease and restores him to good health."
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Repentance and Atonement.
"Yet, while the sacrificial rites were the only means of impressing upon the people God's holiness and the dreadful consequence of man's sinfulness, the idea of the Atonement assumed a far deeper and more spiritual aspect in the lives and teachings of the Prophets. Neither Hosea, Amos, and Micah, nor Isaiah recognizes the need of any means of reconciliation with God after estrangement by sin, other than repentance. "Take with you words, and turn to the Lord: say unto him, Take away all iniquity and receive us graciously: so will we render as bullocks the offerings of our lips".... [quotes sources]... "Shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old? . . . Shall I give my first-born for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God.".
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Christian Idea of Atonement.
"... R. Akiba, in direct opposition to the Christian Atonement by the blood of Jesus, addressed his brethren thus: "Happy are ye, Israelites. Before whom do you cleanse yourselves, and who cleanses you? Your Father in heaven; for it is said: 'I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean; from all your filthiness . . . will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you'" (Ezek. xxxvi. 26); and again it is said that the Lord, "the hope of Israel" (Jer. xiv. 8), is also a "fountain of water" (a play on the Hebrew word "mi?weh"). "As the fountain of water purifies the unclean, so does God purify Israel" (Yoma viii. 9). This doctrine, which does away with all mediatorship of either saint, high priest, or savior, became the leading idea of the Jewish Atonement."

-- posted by Migisi

» _Boanerges_ - Something That Is?

In response to Something That Is? posted by Migisi:

and the two will become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two, but one."

refers to marriage.. not a new being! The results of this one flesh is - the child....

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» pink101 - Something That Is?

In response to Something That Is? posted by _Boanerges_:

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Your response to Migisi sounds like you are almost scolding her.
I guess it's the exclamation mark in the line, "not a new being!" You make it so factually as though it everyone should know it.
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There is a very ancient idea in Greek and also in eastern mythology that male and female were at one time within a single being--a.k.a. the yin and yan or ying/yang. Thus the dreaded acronym GFY. We've all seen the symbol of the black and white blobs that form a circle in which the two are one.
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I think I have to side with those who believe that Jesus teaches that human beings can be at one with God and I think that the apostle Paul follows up with the idea by telling us that our bodies can be the temple in which God lives.
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And, I think I swing toward Arianism as well.
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Please notice, Wendell, that I use the word, think, often to express myself. And, that I am not telling you anything that can be construed as absolute truth--at least in my mind. Although, to me? It sounds pretty good.
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-- posted by pink101