Protestantism

» pink101 - Biblical References

In response to Brian or Brother Jones posted by _Boanerges_:
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Heh heh heh
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What can I say?
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I asked a few questions. I don't remember claiming anything one way or the other. Perhaps you misunderstood me?
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I'm sorry if you misread what I wrote.
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As far as scripture is concerned, the link I gave you ( http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02055a.h... ) if filled with several scripture references. It is a 5,069 word explanation of the Doctrine of Atonement. Quite educational if you ask me.
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I'm not making any claims on my own about this doctrine; but, I do have thoughts about it.
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-- posted by pink101

» _Boanerges_ - Biblical References

In response to Biblical References posted by pink101:

I'm sorry if you misread what I wrote.

I did not misread.. Even the link you provided states the very same thing that I have stated:

...quoting the article...

"It was by this inward sacrifice of obedience unto death, by this perfect love with which He laid down his life for His friends, that Christ paid the debt to justice, and taught us by His example, and drew all things to Himself; it was by this that He wrought our Atonement and Reconciliation with God, "making peace through the blood of His Cross"."

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» pink101 - Biblical References

In response to Biblical References posted by _Boanerges_:

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Have I disputed what you wrote? What seems to be the problem?
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-- posted by pink101

» _Boanerges_ - Biblical References

In response to Biblical References posted by pink101:

when you state [at one ment].. what are you meaning?

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» Brian Tubbs - Atonement

Pink, I respect your right to explore the doctrine of atonement to your satisfaction. You do seem to be leaning in the direction of atonement having something to do with achieving oneness (in essence) with God. This is not consistent with the historical understanding of the doctrine.

The historic Jewish and Christian understanding of "atonement" (the word goes back to the mosaic law) is a means of achieving reconciliation with God. Not in some kind of metaphysical or literal "oneness" with God, since humanity NEVER had that. But rather in a harmonious sense - a fellowship sense.

If interested, here's something on the subject from an online evangelical Bible dictionary...

http://www.biblestudytools.net/Dictionar...

» pink101 - Biblical References

In response to Biblical References posted by _Boanerges_:
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To me, "at one ment" meants the state of being at one with another. It seems, it needs further clarification; however. To be in agreement is not, necessarily to be at one with another. More specifically, "at one ment" gives the connotation that separate parties are completely at one each with the other--as though they were one being.
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I think when two beings/persons are in a state of being at one, that they can and often do deliver a spirit--that re-presents their relationship to the outside world--so that it can be experienced by others. My wife an I are often at one with each other and when we are, there is a spirit that others can sense.
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But that is only what I think. Others might not agree with me at all.
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-- posted by pink101

» _Boanerges_ - Biblical References

In response to Biblical References posted by pink101:

...when two beings/persons are in a state of being at one, that they can and often do deliver a spirit--that re-presents their relationship to the outside world--so that it can be experienced by others. My wife an I are often at one with each other and when we are, there is a spirit that others can sense.

okie.. I would agree with that simple explanation...

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» pink101 - Biblical References

In response to Biblical References posted by _Boanerges_:
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So, then, you have the Trinity.
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But, if my wife and I are at one with each other so much so that the spirit of our relationship is made apparent, does that mean that she and I and our spirit are one and the same being?
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-- posted by pink101

» _Boanerges_ - Biblical References

In response to Biblical References posted by pink101:

So, then, you have the Trinity.

that depends.. what do you mean when you say "have".....

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» pink101 - Repeating MY Self

In response to Biblical References posted by _Boanerges_:
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So, then, you have (an example of) the Trinity.
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But, if my wife and I are at one with each other so much so that the spirit of our relationship is made apparent, does that mean that she and I and our spirit are one and the same being?
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Kick it around. I'll be back later.
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-- posted by pink101