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» redback - The term Postmodernism

In response to The term Postmodernism posted by _Boanerges_:

Thanks for the explanation.

I keep trying to keep pace with some of the terms used here that are not in my regular lexicon. Seems to me, some of the definitions provided allow much "slippage" in use.

So, my posts may not EVER be true to the pure concepts of "post-modernism' nor "deconstruction' Makes me wonder how you guys are going with this in your posts.

When I consider the liberal use of "WE" here, my benign feeling...based on a process of elimination...is that it is North American in flavour, psyche and imperative...maybe even exclusivity. When I think of "WE" in much broader terms as is my foreigner lot, I see posts that allow one to drive a Mack truck through.

Has modernism now died? But boy, this is not the Philosophy Section and this little beige duck struggles at times to work it out.

Maybe I'm a post-modern deconstructionist and when it suits, vice versa.

-- posted by redback

» _Boanerges_ - The term Postmodernism

In response to The term Postmodernism posted by redback:

Maybe I'm a post-modern deconstructionist and when it suits, vice versa

nice.. I suppose that aint to bad....

Anyway, personally, I find these types of conversations to be a waste of time and effort, and also find that nothing ever comes from such conversations.. I tossed in my chime, not to derail, but to make mention that its derailed to begin with. Not by my authority, but by the very authority of how postmodernism is defined.

If one wants to take a critical look at Christianity, the deconstruction-ism would be the proper choice, as its goal is simply - logos.....

And by that standard, and the very definition, that would be a topic of discussion worth chiming in on....

Otherwise, why state a claim when in a few years the claim will change again. To me, makes absolutely no sense and is utterly worthless.......

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» redback - The term Postmodernism

In response to The term Postmodernism posted by _Boanerges_:

A different focus you have, I guess. But the times they are a'changing as the song goes, some of my life too...except for the Amish? Anyway, when I'm looking at what Christianity is all about and its historical course, whether it remains true to its cause etc, I'm considering matters that matter...or trying to.

I was just checking out a DVD given to me on my 60th...then flicked back here. By 1947? Any disillusionment following the Great World War WW1 has surely faded or is 2 generations into maybe a hybrid version of PoMo. MLK's 'I have a dream' on my 1963 birthday was far more powerful to me than distant history. Surely, we all had different experiences imposed on us or imposed by the USA etc that multi-flavour whatever is meant by post-modernism.

So, we come to 'deconstructionism' to describe pulling apart Christianity to see what makes it tick or whether it should have ever ticked at all. Sometimes, not all the time, I'm helped simply by the topic title and the opening post without the need to articulate my esotoric cogitations.

"...Otherwise, why state a claim when in a few years the claim will change again...."

I call this truth-in-waiting. Why publish something in a paper that needs retraction a week later to be read by a different audience?

-- posted by redback

» Brian Tubbs - Caiaphus

In response to Crucifix - preChristian symbols posted by _Boanerges_:

And we now have archaelogical proof of Caiaphas.

» pink101 - The term Postmodernism

In response to The term Postmodernism posted by _Boanerges_:
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In another thread, Boanerges wrote:
crying like a baby wont do a thing for you Phil...
If you find me to be a troll, what is that to me... (nothing is the answer).. I have do nothing to anyone. All Ive done is remarked to your silly statements. Why are you so worried about me.. If you cannot deal with me, you cannot deal with real people in real life and that speaks more of you than it does me.... Ignore me.. I could careless. However, if you say something in public, you can rest assure you will be called out on it. You are acting like the wussy willow dictator that cant get his way... Get over it.. your kingdom is lost. If you want a kingdom, go somewhere where your subjects will lavish praise on you... It ain't happenin here GW...:) ..
but, I DO forgive your silliness and hatefulness and all your personal attacks towards me. As a result, I wont be calling the censorship police on you to have you arrested..
not today anyway.. (grrrrr...)
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And, then, in a following post you wrote:
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Maybe my point is that if we cannot address your behavior
You will have a difficult time selling to Suite101 that my behavior is anything less than acceptable in a normal discussion thread. In fact, you are the one who personally attacks PEOPLE and does not simply deal with the ISSUES.. You are a poor conversation host, Phil...
Get over me and concentrate on what you want to say, not, those who you cannot stand for what they believe....
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but.. I aint mad at ya for your shortsightedness.... It happens all the time in this world, and is probably one of the main reasons mankind is at each others throats... I'm not against you Phil.. In fact, there is nothing here that you can present that is anything less than being friendly in a discussion.....
contrary to your CLAIMS.....
case is dismissed... next question...
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Eventually, I gave in to your demands and said that I would consider your criticism and promised to try to do better in my future postings.
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I'm trying to not judge your actions. I hope you'll find it in your thoughts to forgive me if I get a little upset with you from time to time for creating obfuscation.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - The term Postmodernism--Obfuscation

In response to The term Postmodernism posted by _Boanerges_:
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This is the response I gave to Brother Jones in post #12. His question is in bold: "In respect to your opener here, The criteria of one who supposes himself/herself as postmodern is what?. I'll take a stab at that. Post-modernism is a complicated subject and there are different answers to your question. You and I are both of us post-moderns in one sense of the word. For the intent of this thread, I think it can safely be said that the main criteria is that one has this unrequited desire to know what makes something tick. We seem to want to take everything apart to see what it is. So, A post-modernist, in this sense, would be a person who deconstructs. They do not start out on any subject with the preclusion that it is of no value. But, it can be said that they want to know all they can know about it before they accept it one way or the other.
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In post #1 of this thread, I wrote,
But, if we're truly out to understand Christianity, we must--as diligent post-modernists--deconstruct it. We must take it apart so that we know exactly what it is and how it is that it works. Right? And, if there is anything about which we should be diligent, it is Christianity, is it not?
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Does anyone--other than me--notice the reaction to the idea that some absolute truth might suffer a slight chance of beingdisturbed in this thread?
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I'm wondering if any one would consider that I am a bully for asking if we can continue to parse out the structure of Christianity. I think the last point was something being proposed by Boanerges. In post # 15, responded to him with This last line asks me to consider if eating is a human right. And, then, you emphasize it with what you mean. After everything else has been considered, the fact remains that God gave us our life.
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So, do you mean that we are, therefor, indebted to God in some definable way? And, then, can you tell us what that debt is and how we should dispense with it?
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I'm trying to be careful in how I state my response here. I hope I don't leave anyone with any misunderstandings.
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Is what you're saying actually one of the foundations of Christianity? How should we word it to have in our comprehensive picture of Christianity?
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Care to be specific, Wendell?
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Or Are We Afraid

In response to The term Postmodernism--Obfuscation posted by pink101:
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I have been asking that we parse out the ideas that make up Christianity so that we can have the entire "package" of it in front of us. Then and only then can we enter into any attempt at deconstruction.
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I am beginning to wonder if we can do that or are we afraid to look our own reality in the face? THAT is a major question of post-modernism.
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By the way, my references for post-modernism are found in the book, from Modernism to Postmodernism AN ANTHOLOGY; edited by Lawrence Cahoone; Blackwell Publishers Ltd, Oxford OX . Here's a link where you can check out the authenticity of the material involved: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-54051004...
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I have stated, in this thread, that there are different definitions of post-modernism. Here is a quotation from http://www.zimbio.com/Postmodernism "... According to Wikipedia.org: Postmodernism is an idea that has been extremely controversial and difficult to define among scholars, intellectuals, and historians, because the term implies to many that the modern historical period has passed. Nevertheless, most agree that postmodern ideas have influenced philosophy, art, critical theory, literature, architecture, design, marketing/business, interpretation of history, and culture since the late 20th century."
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So far, Christianity appears to be based on:
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#1. The Revealed Word of God
#2. Shame and Guilt
#3. Certain Human Rights such as the one about eating
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Can we get those three ideas parsed out so that they represent what it is that Crhistianity espouses?
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Or, are we ....
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Crucifix - preChristian symbols

In response to Crucifix - preChristian symbols posted by BrianTubbs:
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All this shows is that different people and faiths have used the cross as a symbol.
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I just thought the article on the cross symbol connection to ancient preChristian 'pagan' belief systems was interesting. I'm sorry you didn't think it was.
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namely that Jesus Christ was crucified by Pontius Pilate in Judea in the first century.
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The article "The Cross and the Crucifixion" listed other 'gods' who allegedly were crucified too. Interesting stuff, IMO. Thousands of people were crucified by different cultures throughout the centuries. I wonder how many Jews having the common name 'Jesus' were crucified.

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - Crucifix - preChristian symbols

In response to Crucifix - preChristian symbols posted by Migisi:
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Can you put your thoughts in such a way so that they show that the cross is one of the required building blocks of Christianity?
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Crucifix - preChristian symbols

In response to Crucifix - preChristian symbols posted by pink101:
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Well, without the cross (crucifixion), there would be no resurrection, and no Christianity.
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1 Corinthians 15:13 -- "If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised."

-- posted by Migisi