Protestantism

» _Boanerges_ - Credentials

In response to Credentials posted by Migisi:
I've already said that I'm pretty much done with this discussion. But if you think you have something to present, maybe I'll reconsider.
no... I dont have anything to add.. In fact, I sell ADT alarms systems this way.. that is.. I tell them straight up that I am calling them for them to make a decision TODAY... Im not going to go round and round with a customer who is only shopping... That is to say.. when the homeowner is ready to have a system, then they will be ready to have a decision. I always tell them - once you have shopped, call me back.. then we can talk....
Thanks for the link. I'll read it.
c l.. I only glanced at it briefly....

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» Migisi - Tainted?

In response to Tainted? posted by BrianTubbs:

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That's like a jury member completely disregarding all the logic and evidence presented by a prosecutor because he was "rude" or "arrogant."
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First, ya gotta keep the jury member awake. (wink)

-- posted by Migisi

» dancooper - Tainted?

In response to Tainted? posted by BrianTubbs:

Brian: Step back from the conclusion (to look at the rest of his statements)

Mig: His conclusion tainted the whole thing for me. It's just another example of Christian arrogance. It was SO unnecessary, IMO.

Brian: That's like a jury member completely disregarding all the logic and evidence presented by a prosecutor because he was "rude" or "arrogant." I'm sure it happens, but hopefully, not too much.

Yes, it does happen in the judicial system as well as in other aspects of our culture. But the problem in this case seems to me to be that Christians, who set themselves up as authorities and proceed to offer their opinions, then cannot see the detrimental effects of this kind of statement. They are too imbued with their own self-importance to even see the tainting of their own otherwise well-presented case. That is arrogance. And that is an unacceptable way to present anything you really want someone else to consider, for any reason. And regardless of the nobility of intentions, as criteria by any so-called impartial observer, the truth is that this kind of arrogance does color and taint an argument beyond reason. That is why some testimony in courts of law is disregarded when the credibility of a witness is called into question. What he said is no longer considered valid, important, or even credible after he is shown to be questionable in his reasoning or unreliable in his reporting of incidents.

-- posted by dancooper

» Brother_Jones - Tainted?

In response to Tainted? posted by dancooper:

But the problem in this case seems to me to be that Christians, who set themselves up as authorities and proceed to offer their opinions, then cannot see the detrimental effects of this kind of statement.
Hi Dan,
It looks to me like you missed the entire point that the article writer was making. And that Brian was attempting to make. The article writer was addressing Christians and advising them to stay away from needless argument about side issues. And the way I read Brian, he was attempting to do the same. When Christians involve themselves with constant arguing about everything involved in Christianity, naturally they are going to appear arrogant. And the writer of the article was attempting to avoid divisiveness.

i am the Lord's oldtimer.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» pink101 - Unjustifiably Smug

In response to Unjustifiably Smug posted by BrianTubbs:

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George Washington wouldn't even make it to a nomination. Too many details about slavery and not wanting to allow blacks into the military.
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Time sees everything change.
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Even God.
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Tainted?

In response to Tainted? posted by Brother_Jones:

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It looks to me like you missed the entire point that the article writer was making.
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I think Dan read it the way I did. So, I guess I missed Holding's point too.
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Did you read the entire article? It was good - until the conclusion. And that's too bad. What turned me off about it, and most of his other articles, is his unwarranted, pernicious ridicule of and blatant comtempt for skeptics and critics of his POV. That, to me, says a lot about his character (lack of?) and his biased agenda - which, again to me, taints his articles.
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When Christians involve themselves with constant arguing about everything involved in Christianity, naturally they are going to appear arrogant.
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Are you saying that arrogance comes naturally for Christians?
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And the writer of the article was attempting to avoid divisiveness.
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From the articles I've read, little that Holding writes attempts to avoid divisiveness. IMO, he thrives on creating controversy. But I guess that's what generates hits to his site and brings in the cash (donations to support his 'ministry').
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Whatever. (shrug)

-- posted by Migisi

» Brian Tubbs - Arrogance and Credibility - reply to Dan

In response to Tainted? posted by dancooper:

Dan, I think you, Migisi, Pink, and I all agree that a person making an argument should avoid being rude and arrogant. And I see Migisi's point that the finale to the article I posted does come off as rude and arrogant to a non-Christian.

Nevertheless, what about the TRUTH? If a person is making a case, and that case is correct, then that case is STILL correct - even if the person making it is obnoxious. Do you follow me?

» pink101 - Arrogance and Credibility - reply to Dan

In response to Arrogance and Credibility - reply to Dan posted by BrianTubbs:

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Dan, I think you, Migisi, Pink, and I all agree that a person making an argument should avoid being rude and arrogant.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - To Pink

In response to Arrogance and Credibility - reply to Dan posted by pink101:

I didn't say that we always live UP to or uphold that practice, but we generally agree that we should.

» _Boanerges_ - To Brian

In response to To Pink posted by BrianTubbs:

Jude 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

From what I have seen from your interactions here at the Suite, Brian, I would say that you in fact would resemble an early NT convert of Christianity, as it was given then, as it is given today.... according to our brother James.....

When we practice our faith, and strive for it, we will be attacked and ridiculed from all sides.. And so, we press for the mark....

Good to see that your faith is not only put into practice, but that you have earnestly contended for the faith and have done so in an educated, caring and personal manner. Your congregation should be proud of their pastor, and I for one, would claim that they are quite fortunate to have such a qualified leader helping them navigate some serious times that we are now entering....

Keep smiling my friend... for your work has benefited many. This surely is a true saying....

-- posted by _Boanerges_