Protestantism

» _Boanerges_ - Hey, Phil

Phil: "As a national society, we are deeply involved in a "War On Terror" that is a focus on the differences involved in those religions".

Phil: "Notice America's foreign policy?"

Wendell: 1: "Which religion plays a role here?"

as of yet no answer.. so then, lets look at it, according to Phil:

.."we are deeply involved in a "War On Terror" that is a focus on the differences involved in those religions".

Differences of those religions? Umm.. no.. Its about oil as far as the West is concerned. Its not about Islam. If it were, you could be sure that America would simply wipe out all Muslims in one shot.... So - the "war on terror" is not about Christianity and Islam...

Fact: The civil war in Iraq is between extremists Islamic factions.

Fact: America did not start a war to kill of Islam...

Fact: from 1900-2007, appx 4 billion people have died. It is estimated that appx 300 mil came from WWII, which was not about religion either. In fact, the most vile atrocities came against a certain religion - The Jews...

Fact: Terror is a political weapon, not a religious weapon.

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» Brian Tubbs - Atheism and Secularism

Last I checked, I don't think I qualify as a "dumbo," but hey, I'm sure some here would differ with that. I say that as a disclaimer, because I have to disagree with you, Pink, and thus agree w/ Wendell.

Atheism and Secularism are, for all intents and purposes, RELIGIONS.

Check out this article...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...

I understand that atheism is typically described by its adherents as a PHILOSOPHY, but...

If one looks down through history, you will find that philosophy has OFTEN functioned more or less AS A RELIGION.

And once atheism begins to express itself assertively in the form of secularism, it most certainly can be considered a "religion."

» _Boanerges_ - Hey, Phil

Phil: Religionism pervades society.

Wendell: 3: which religion pervades society?

no answer. but, according to you, those who oppose abortion, stem cell, etc....

Answer: both abortion and stem cell research are legal in the USA.. Therefore, if Christianty is against these things, obvious it does not "pervade" the society.

Since abortion and stem cell research is legal in the USA, then, according to you, the religion that pervades society, according to these few examples, would be the non-Christians... Or, another name would be called: Atheists... meaning - non-deism.... Therefore, non-deism would pervade according to these examples. According to this fact, this flies in the face of our Declaration of Independence, which states that all men are created equal according to (no man = without god i.e. athiest) their creator.... I quote:

The quotation "All men are created equal" (sometimes modified to "All people are created equal") is arguably the best-known phrase in any of America's political documents, as the idea it expresses is generally considered the foundation of American democracy. It was suggested[1] by the Italian immigrant, patriot and pamphleteer Philip Mazzei and later incorporated into the opening of the American Declaration of Independence by Thomas Jefferson who paraphrased the writing of his close friend Philip Mazzei.[2]

The opening of the Declaration of Independence written by Thomas Jefferson in 1776, states as follows:
" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_men_are...

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» _Boanerges_ - Hey, Wendell

Hey, Wendell!. It looks like you're trying to change the terms of the Religionism thread I started so that you can come out on top of some debate you are rehearsing in your head.

no Phil.. Ive only quote your words!.. they contradict, therefore, cannot be true.

next!

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» pink101 - Atheism and Secularism

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In the questioned post, I wrote,
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By the way, Wendell, here are two Quick definitions (religion)
# noun: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny
# noun: institution to express belief in a divine power (Example: "He was raised in the Baptist religion")
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Neither Atheism or Secularism qualify as religions.
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But, what do you care, right? All the dumbos still line up for you whenever you pull their chains.
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To which Brian replies, Last I checked, I don't think I qualify as a "dumbo," but hey, I'm sure some here would differ with that. I say that as a disclaimer, because I have to disagree with you, Pink, and thus agree w/ Wendell.

Atheism and Secularism are, for all intents and purposes, RELIGIONS.
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Find us a respectable dictionary definition where either Atheism or Secularism can be seen as religions. While you're at it, check out the meaning of sycophant. My original opinion of your open mindedness is being sharply revised--by you.
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I'm sorry to see that in you.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Hey, Phil

-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Hey, Phil

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Here is where I respond to you, Wendell:
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http://protestantism.suite101.com/discus...
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Answering Phil

Sycophant - "a self-seeking, servile flatterer; fawning parasite."

In the past, you've accused me of being too sensitive and taking things too personally. Just so we're clear, are you calling me a sycophant?

» Brian Tubbs - Atheism and Secularism

From Dictionary.com...

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Note that the term "especially" denotes emphasis, but is not exclusive. In other words, while religion particularly or especially relates with belief in the supernatural - it is not limited to that.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

Note that, while the examples given denote supernatural belief systems, this definion could apply to atheism and certainly applies to secularism.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

There are atheists that, IMO, qualify as "religious" according to this definition.

Phil, if you go back and re-read my post, you'll note that I said atheism and secularism "for all intents and purposes" qualify as religions. I stand by that comment.

I would still like an answer to my question from the previous post.

» pink101 - Answering Phil

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No, I was saying that Wendell was acting like one.
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I thought that was quite clear.
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-- posted by pink101