Protestantism

» Migisi - The Idea Of The ONE

In response to The Idea Of The ONE posted by pink101:

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...all life emanates from one original source so that--now [ALWAYS] --we are all part of that ONE...
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Mat 13:16 - "But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear."
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-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - The Idea Of The ONE

In response to The Idea Of The ONE posted by Migisi:

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Makes good sense to me.
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-- posted by pink101

» _Boanerges_ - examining Phils other statements

Phil: Notice America's foreign policy?
Wendell: 1: Which religion(ism) plays a role here?
already answered... the religion of oil is the answer...
Phil :Notice the arguments regarding such issues as stem cell reseach and abortion?
Wendell: 2: which religionism opposes abortion?
Christianity opposes abortion, so therefore, according to the statement that "religionism pervades society", it is evident that secular humanism is responsible for the legalization of abortion and the decline of morality within the USA. The results that follow are always the same - devaluing of life, commodification of the human body (selling of body parts fro example) and all the ill's that go with the devaluation of humanity.
after all.. we're just apes that were spawned by green scum, ey!

Therefore, according to Phil, the religionism [that] pervades society is beyond a doubt - secular humanism.....

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» Migisi - examining Phils other statements

Phil: Notice America's foreign policy?
Wendell: 1: Which religion(ism) plays a role here?
already answered... the religion of oil is the answer...
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While I agree with you re oil, it's not a religion. American foreign policy is pro-Israel. Any perceived enemy of theirs (or their God) is an enemy of the US (and its Judeo-Christian God).
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Wendell: 2: which religionism opposes abortion?
Christianity opposes abortion, so therefore, according to the statement that "religionism pervades society", it is evident that secular humanism is responsible for the legalization of abortion and the decline of morality within the USA.
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Not all Christians oppose abortion, Wendell. A few denominations supported abortion legislation in the 70s, and some accept abortion now under certain circumstances. So, "secular humanists" were and are in 'good' company. You might find this interesting. I did...
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Abortion:
Where Do the Churches Stand?
by Ernest L Ohlhoff
National Right to Life Director of Outreach
http://www.pregnantpause.org/people/wher...
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The United Church of Christ (UCC)
has strongly supported the legalization of abortion since 1971. The UCC supported FOCA and strongly opposed the PBA ban to the point of joining the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARRAL) in a statement affirming President Clinton's veto of the PBA Ban Act in 1996. The UCC has also called for the church to support abortion in any national health care bill.
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The Southern Baptist Convention
initially called for legislation in 1971 that would allow for the possibility of abortions under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe to fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother. In 1976, the convention changed its position to oppose abortions used as a means of birth control. In 1980, the convention strengthened its position by supporting legislation and/or a constitutional amendment prohibiting abortion except to save the life of the mother. [But, they still support abortion for that reason, don't they.]
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American Baptist Churches
leaves abortion policy to local churches and individuals. A resolution adopted in 1988, updated in 1994 and accepted as current policy, "acknowledges diversity of ... convictions within our fellowship," making no distinction between those who believe that human life begins at conception (with the consequence that abortion is immoral), and those who believe it can be morally acceptable based on "compassion and justice."
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The Presbyterian Church (USA)
...In 1983, the PCUSA General Assembly adopted a policy which affirmed abortion as a "stewardship responsibility." PCUSA today actively supports the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (RCRC, formerly known as the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights, or RCAR). In 1992, after restudying the issue, the General Assembly adopted a new policy which states that "there is a basis in our tradition not only for a woman's difficult choice for abortion, but also for the preservation of the lives of the unborn because they are human beings made in God's image." In 1997, the PCUSA broke with other pro-abortion churches to become the first major mainline denomination to take a position expressing "grave moral concern" about partial-birth abortions.
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The United Methodist Church
began in the early 1970s to view abortion as a "choice". The United Methodist position in favor of abortion has been so strong that two of its institutions helped organize and affiliate with the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights. For many years RCAR used office space in the United Methodist Building which is located across the street from the U.S. Supreme Court. In both 1996 and 1997 the United Methodist Church publicly supported President Clinton's veto of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. While the 1996 United Methodist Church's Book of Discipline still maintains a strong pro-abortion position, it now includes wording recognizing the "sanctity of unborn human life." It further states, "We cannot affirm abortion as an acceptable means of birth control and we unconditionally reject it as a means of gender selection."
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The Evangelical Lutheran of Church in America (ELCA)
is a union of three smaller Lutheran denominations which merged in 1988. Each had different views on on abortion. In 1990, the ELCA adopted a statement that accepts abortion but only as a "last resort" in the most extreme circumstances. The statement goes on to say that it opposes abortion except in the cases of "clear threat to the life of the woman", "extreme fetal abnormality" incompatible with life, and in cases of rape and incest. Beyond these cases "this church neither supports nor opposes" other abortion-restricting legislation. At the ELCA's 1997 convention, a resolution to restrict ELCA funding of abortions to the three cases stated above was rejected 70%-30%. The ELCA funds elective abortions in the church's health care coverage for pastors and professional church workers, and some Lutheran-affiliated hospital perform elective abortions.
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Yes, secular humanists supported abortion legislation. But so did some Christian denominations. So, you're both correct, or both wrong.

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - The Abortion Debates

In response to examining Phils other statements posted by Migisi:
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I went through the time of the abortion debates. I vividly remember the points that most heavily influenced America's legalization of the practice.
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One of the most important was related to "back alley" and "back room" abortions performed in unsanitary conditions and where so many women were left bleeding to death. The reasoning was that as long as women would die from abortions done with a wire clothes hanger America would do well to legalize the practice so doctors could perform the terrible task under sanitary conditions--to save life. As I recall that WAS THE DECIDING FACTOR. There may have been official church positions; but, my recollection is that Americans were heavily in favor of abortion regardless of their religious affiliations--other than Catholics.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - There Have

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There have always been abortions and there always will be--legal or not.
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The problem goes far beyond the religious debates.
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But, abortion was not intended to be a method of birth control except in the minds of some racists who thought it could be used to reduce the illegitimate baby boom. So, now we have No Child Left Behind so mothers with no father of responsibility involved can drive Cadillacs and own homes. $5,000.00 a child for children with learning disabilities can add up quickly.
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Check it out. Here's more than 24,000 sites:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?n=10&ei=u...

-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - There Have

In response to There Have posted by pink101:
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other than Catholics.
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Why many left the Catholic church?
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...No Child Left Behind...
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I'd gladly subsidize illegit babies instead of bullets and bombs!

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - There Have

In response to There Have posted by Migisi:

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Yupper on that.

-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Suggestion

If you want to take up the abortion debate, perhaps a separate thread would be appropriate. This one has over 150 posts already. The higher number of posts a thread gets, the fewer participants and the less of an audience. I think abortion is a significant enough issue that it deserves its own thread.

Having said that...very interesting article, Migisi. Thanks for posting it.

» _Boanerges_ - examining Phils other statements

In response to examining Phils other statements posted by Migisi:

While I agree with you re oil, it's not a religion.

In the strictest form, of course not, and I do agree as well. However, it is worshiped no doubt, and in fact, creates an ideology similar to religion - minus the "form of" deity.

American foreign policy is pro-Israel. Any perceived enemy of theirs (or their God) is an enemy of the US (and its Judeo-Christian God).

I do not think its possible to connect the two. We are in relationship to Israel because of - real estate.... Maybe at one time it was due to their persecution, but today, I believe that is lost to the previous generations.

Not all Christians oppose abortion, Wendell.

A misnomer, Mig. The classification of name only is the difference. The bible is very clear that God created man, and that knew/knows us - in the womb. I do not believe you can connect those who claim to be Christians, to those who declare what Christianity declares. A huge difference.

-- posted by _Boanerges_