Protestantism

» pink101 - The Definition

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Reprehensible is a very strong word that is used to say that a subject, action, behavior, or thing deserves severe rebuke.
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If there is a stronger word, it should be applied in order to show umbrage.
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So, what am I talking about?
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I am addressing the position taken by persons who claim to have a superior relationship with God as a result of whatever it is that they claim in absolute truth.
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By doing so, they set all people out as being divided into two camps--those who exist in the good graces of God and those who deserve to go to Hell for eternity.
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To me, that is reprehensible.
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - The Definition

In response to The Definition posted by pink101:

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...position taken by persons who claim to have a superior relationship with God as a result of whatever it is that they claim in absolute truth.
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They can 'claim' whatever they like. Doesn't make it so.
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By doing so, they set all people out as being divided into two camps--those who exist in the good graces of God and those who deserve to go to Hell for eternity.
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But wait... don't they deserve Hell themselves - for their arrogance, hautiness, and condemnation of their neighbor?
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I think Paul got it right: "3If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else, 5for each one should carry his own load." (Galatians 6)
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-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - Self Righteousness

In response to The Definition posted by Migisi:
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They can 'claim' whatever they like. Doesn't make it so.
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Right. But, the point is that they hi-jack the right to have a relationship with God and, so much so, that all others are put outside the circle. It is the major problem organized Christianity presents to society. It's a their way or the highway kind of thing.
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And, so with that behavior, they set up the idea of Self Righteousness which is the idea that one possesses rights they hold in reserve. All those people who don't get in line with their ideologies are condemned to Hell.
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But wait... don't they deserve Hell themselves - for their arrogance, hautiness, and condemnation of their neighbor?
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I don't think so. No one deserves Hell--the entire concept of it is ridiculous beyond imagination. They may be all that you say; but, it is out of their blind ignorance to their reprehensible behavior. Who stands up to them to tell them about their self righteous behavior? No one! Instead, we let them get away with their conceited ideas that they have made some decision that allows them to think they have an exclusive relationship with God that isn't available to you. That puts you outside the grace of God and condemns you to exist in some negative position.
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Unless--of course--you let them tell you how to think and act.
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Reprehensible.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brother_Jones - Self Righteousness

In response to Self Righteousness posted by pink101:

That puts you outside the grace of God and condemns you to exist in some negative position.

First of all, you continue to evade the point that all men are mired in sin. It matters not to either of you that you continue to post your belief that it is really unnecessary for there to be a 'Savior of the world.'

Jesus said, 'For it is from within, from the human heart, that evil intentions come...' Mark 7:14

Your own basic sinfulness explains why you constantly disclaim your own basic sinfulness. The whole trouble with you both is that you won't listen to the what the whole trouble with you is.

i am just an oldtimer for the Lord.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» _Boanerges_ - The Definition

In response to The Definition posted by pink101:

By doing so, they set all people out as being divided into two camps

is... that an absolute truth!?!?!?!?!...
laughing...

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» pink101 - Speaking The Condemnation

In response to Self Righteousness posted by Brother_Jones:
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First of all, you continue to evade the point that all men are mired in sin. It matters not to either of you that you continue to post your belief that it is really unnecessary for there to be a 'Savior of the world.'
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Interesting that you make such an effort in speaking the condemnation that was so popular at the time of Jesus exactly that against which he taught. It goes right on over your head--you just don't get it.
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And, what is the hidden reason why you quote Mark 714? "'or it is from within, from the human heart, that evil intentions come..." Are you talking about YOUR continuing effort to paint those who don't line up with your doctrinaire postion as being outside of God's grace?
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Your own basic sinfulness explains why you constantly disclaim your own basic sinfulness. The whole trouble with you both is that you won't listen to the what the whole trouble with you is.
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MY sinfulness? The fact that I was born into life makes me a sinner according to the teaching of evangelicalism--and that is the condemnation that you seem to want everyone to accept here. I deserve to be swept into Hell for having been born? Give me a break!! That IS reprehensible.
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It appears you present us with the lever with which you dispose of every objection to your priestly teachings. Those methods scare little children before they are experienced enough to make choices on their own.
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The teachings of Jesus warn the teachers and lawyers about the condemnation they put on others.
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"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
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Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchers of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation." (Matt. 23:13-29)
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• And, in the Gospel of Luke:
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"But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
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Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets.
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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them." (Luke 11:42-44)
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"And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
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Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchers of the prophets, and your fathers killed them." (Luke 11:46-47)
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"Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered." (Luke 11:52)
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And, for your information, Wendell:
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"But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.
Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger.
Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.
Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets." (Luke 6:24-26)
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Reprehensible behaviors as designated by Jesus himself.
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And, regrettable.
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Self Righteousness

In response to Self Righteousness posted by pink101:
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But, the point is that they hi-jack the right to have a relationship with God and, so much so, that all others are put outside the circle.
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What kind of control does anyone have over your spirituality? What 'circle' are you referring to? And why do you feel you want to be inside it?
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It is the major problem organized Christianity presents to society. It's a their way or the highway kind of thing.
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So, there's your choice... kowtow to organized religion or do your own thing.
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All those people who don't get in line with their ideologies are condemned to Hell.
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Yeah, says who! Can they prove that Hell even exists? And if Heaven is full of Christians like them, who'd wanna go there?
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I don't think so. No one deserves Hell--the entire concept of it is ridiculous beyond imagination.
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Well, there ya go. I agree it's ridiculous. So, why fret when some religious control-freak and fear-monger spews on about Hell and damnation?
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Who stands up to them to tell them about their self righteous behavior? No one!
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Why waste the breath, Pink? I'm convinced that their own arrogance and hautiness will be their undoing - in the here-and-now, and/or in the here-after. Nothing anyone could say could be more effective than that.
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Instead, we let them get away with their conceited ideas that they have made some decision that allows them to think they have an exclusive relationship with God that isn't available to you.
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Does it really matter what they think?
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That puts you outside the grace of God and condemns you to exist in some negative position.
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Nobody can do that to you - except you.

-- posted by Migisi

» _Boanerges_ - The Definition

In response to The Definition posted by _Boanerges_:
By doing so, they set all people out as being divided into two camps

-- posted by _Boanerges_