Protestantism

» Brian Tubbs - Just so I'm clear...

Pink, you can call yourself anything you want. I don't recall saying anything to the effect of "Pink, you're no Christian." It's a title. A name. And if you want to call yourself a "Christian," have at it.

The only thing I would say, concerning you personally, is that your views regarding Jesus Christ would not be consistent with those of the early Christians - i.e., the ones referred to in the book of Acts when the name "Christian" was first used.

Am I being self-righteous or judgmental to point that out? I don't think so. It's just a historical fact. Might there be some overlap? Sure. But on the fundamental issues of Jesus' divinity and resurrection, it seems to me that you differ with the early church. If I'm wrong, correct me.

» pink101 - Just so I'm clear...

In response to Just so I'm clear... posted by BrianTubbs:

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Seems like it's turned into a fuss.
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It wasn't important in the first place. Sorry.
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-- posted by pink101

» _Boanerges_ - Just so I'm clear...

In response to Just so I'm clear... posted by BrianTubbs:

Phil claims he is a Christian..
Phil claims that the bible is not an accurate account, but only written by mere men.

Phil is a christian because he believes in a book that is not factual....

I think that defines what a christian is, in non-christian terms!

(rofl)...

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» pink101 - You See, Brian

In response to Just so I'm clear... posted by _Boanerges_:

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You see, Brian. It's good to be careful about what you say when people look up to you for guidance.
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-- posted by pink101

» EvilChihuahua - Just so I'm clear...

In response to Just so I'm clear... posted by _Boanerges_:

The way I see it, a Christian is one who has accepted Jesus Christ, had been saved through Grace and has a personal relationship with Him.

The Bible is the Word of God, no matter who put it on paper. If the Bible is not factual, that means God is not who He says He is. If God is not who He says He is, then He is a liar. If one is to believe that God is a liar they are denying Him and those who deny Him are not Christian.

Well, that's how I see it anyway.

-- posted by EvilChihuahua

» _Boanerges_ - Just so I'm clear...

In response to Just so I'm clear... posted by EvilChihuahua:

Hello Kim.. Its good to read your response.. I miss seeing you around.. but do love your emails!...

Well, that's how I see it anyway.

and.. with wisdom, you see well my friend.... I believe your message will ring crystal clear. Sometimes, the foolish, simply need to see - in words - how foolish their positions have become.. Does this make a person "a fool"... Only if they retain such a position, clearly rejecting the obvious....

deceiving ones self is not only wilfull, and ignorant, but is the blindness that has descended upon the "righteous man" within his own eyes....

"Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic." --Feodor Mikhailovich Dostoyevsky

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» pink101 - An Evangelical Christian

In response to Just so I'm clear... posted by EvilChihuahua:
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"The way I see it, a Christian is..."
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So, you pretty well admit that others see it differently.
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But, I do think you have nailed the prevailing definition that is accepted by most Evangelicals today. Could your definition be called an Evangelical Christian? I wonder how a staunch Roman Catholic would define the word, Christian.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - An Evangelical Christian

In response to An Evangelical Christian posted by pink101:

I think Kim's definition does hew closer to the evangelical mold - which is where I personally come from as well.

The historical/biblical understanding of a Christian is a bit broader. It's one who embraces Jesus as the divine, risen Lord. That's what united the Jewish Christians and the Gentile Christians in Acts, even those Christians divided over issues like circumcision, works, etc.

Thus, I think such the historical/biblical definition of Christian would still unite Christians of different denominations today.

**I will say to my evangelical friends that "Christian" is a title given by men, and thus defining "Christian" is not the same as determining who is going to heaven. The latter is a determination that God makes.

Pink seems to want to broaden the definition of "Christian" out further than the original historical/biblical understanding of the term. He can certainly do that, since again we are talking about a man-made title/designation to begin with. BUT...I think that, before society fully embraces a broader, more relativistic, loosey-goosey definition of "Christian" - we need to acknowledge that we are indeed broadening it.

I say that without any self-righteousness or judgmentalism in mind.

» pink101 - Process of Refinement

In response to An Evangelical Christian posted by BrianTubbs:
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"...without any self-righteousness or judgmentalism in mind."
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It really isn't so much that I "want to broaden the definition of 'Christian', as it is that I don't like it that the self-appointed "guardians of the faith" want to zero in on all others to make sure that we all share the exact same doctrinal approach.
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I--personally--don't care. But, I see the efforts for conformity that exude from the self-righteous as they pour out a message of exclusion on the world around them. And, what I see is reprehensible.
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And, I must say that the further toward the inner circles one goes, the more disgusting the judgments grow. ANYONE who sits in ANY INNER CIRCLE knows EXACTLY what I'm point at.
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Once a person is accepted in the circle, the process of refinement is obvious.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Another Appropriate Word

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high·fa·lu·tin or hi·fa·lu·tin or high·fa·lu·ting

adjective
Definition:

pretentious: affecting a grand style in an unconvincing way ( informal )

[Mid-19th century. Origin ?]

-- posted by pink101