Protestantism

» Brian Tubbs - Dismissing The article

In response to Dismissing The article posted by pink101:

You're side-stepping my points, Pink. You asked for some specific objections. I provided some. Now, you're side-stepping those by redirecting the conversation. OF COURSE, there are personal implications to Christianity. YES, Christians claim a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. OF COURSE, not everything the author says in the article is bogus. OF COURSE, OF COURSE, OF COURSE.

My problem with the article is that he focuses completely on the subjective side of Christ - making Jesus more of a personal experience than a real, living entity. He sets aside the historical Jesus in favor of a spiritual Jesus. When, in fact, BOTH are correct!

If he wants to make the point that some over-emphasize the historical Jesus and neglect the spiritual aspect of Christianity, I agree with him. But he takes it much further than that to where he goes (in my view) to the other extreme.

» pink101 - Not Side-stepping

In response to Dismissing The article posted by BrianTubbs:
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You're side-stepping my points, Pink.
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No, I'm not.
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A personal relationship with Jesus is the epitome of what it means to have a subjective experience.
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You were accusing the author of the article I linked of being subjective.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Dismissing The article

In response to Dismissing The article posted by BrianTubbs:

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My problem with the article is that he focuses completely on the subjective side of Christ - making Jesus more of a personal experience than a real, living entity. He sets aside the historical Jesus in favor of a spiritual Jesus. When, in fact, BOTH are correct!
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It was hard for me to believe you wrote that until you added the last line. So, what's all the hubbub about here?
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Dismissing The article

In response to Dismissing The article posted by pink101:

The premise of the article was that Protestant theologians have "over-objectified" Christ by emphasizing his external work in our lives - namely his death, burial, and resurrection which were designed to redeem us of our sins. The author dismisses that and instead argues that the real focus of Jesus' teachings is that we should live like Christ - that we should make Jesus a part of our soul/spirit/consciousness.

I believe the author is wrong to dismiss, to set aside, the redemptive work of Christ. The death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ for our sins is the most important aspect of Jesus' ministry. It is the real reason he came. That's my beef with the article.

» Migisi - Trinity

In response to Trinity posted by BrianTubbs:

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Thus, it's not worthy of a response.

But you did respond, Brian.

-- posted by Migisi

» Migisi - Dismissing The article

In response to Dismissing The article posted by BrianTubbs:

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Second, there ARE secular sources (documents, archeaology, etc.) which affirm PORTIONS of the New Testament record.
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What ARE those secular sources about Jesus' life and miracles SPECIFICALLY, Brian? Who wrote them, and when? Point me to them, if you would. I'd love to read them.

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - Dismissing The article

In response to Dismissing The article posted by BrianTubbs:

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The premise of the article was that Protestant theologians have "over-objectified" Christ by emphasizing his external work in our lives - namely his death, burial, and resurrection which were designed to redeem us of our sins.
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Do, you obviously don't agree with that. I'm sure there are many ideas you hold to be absolute with which many others are in disagreement. Brother Jones, for example, is a member of the Disciples of Christ denomination (I think so anyway) and he probably holds ideas with which you disagree.
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But, it still is a good idea to listen to what others have to say, right? Maybe the author has a point you might better consider?
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The idea of "over objectify" doesn't discount, does it?
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Trinity

In response to Trinity posted by Migisi:

True.

» Brian Tubbs - Dismissing The article

In response to Dismissing The article posted by Migisi:

I said there were secular sources that affirmed PORTIONS of the New Testament record. I did not say there were secular sources that dealt with Jesus' life and miracles.

» Brother_Jones - Dismissing The article

In response to Dismissing The article posted by pink101:

Brother Jones, for example, is a member of the Disciples of Christ denomination (I think so anyway) and he probably holds ideas with which you disagree.

I did try to read the article but I sorta lost interest in the subjective approach the writer took to interpret the epistles and letters of the New Testament to conform to his notion that 'Christ is you or Christ is us.' I didn't paricularly feel that he violated any scriptural principle other than just his pedantic plodding of symantic comparisons. And I don't even really know what I just said. I did try to take a look at his overall approach in his other articles. He does come from the same background but used the same id as I do when I say I grew up in the Restoration Movement, but have long since departed. But it is hard to know sometimes if all of my background has departed from me. One can't really appreciate the Restoration Church unless you have spent a lot of your life there.

i am just an oldtimer for the Lord.

-- posted by Brother_Jones