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» paper_turtle - Buddhism vs Christianity

In response to Buddhism vs Christianity posted by Brother_Jones:

I think the Pink and I were wondering about the idea of Christ. Any thoughts?
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Not really. To my mind "Jesus" and "Christ" refer to the same being. I use the word "Jesus" in prayer and when talking/thinking about the Gospels. I use "Christ" mostly in phrases such as "manifest Christ's love in the world." I tend to associate "Christ" with Jesus after the resurrection--but in one passage in the Gospels Peter addressed Jesus as "the Christ," and (as I recall) Jesus does not correct him.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

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» pink101 - Buddhism vs Christianity

In response to Buddhism vs Christianity posted by Brother_Jones:
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I'm not so concerned with Jesus being the Christ as I am wanting to know the difference between the two.
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It is said that we get to know Jesus on a person to person basis; but, that Christ lives within us.
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That's more my concern--to learn about how this gets to be part of any doctrine.
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I AM reading a book, Studies in Doctrine, Alister E. McGrath; Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids. 1997
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-- posted by pink101

» Brother_Jones - Buddhism vs Christianity

In response to Buddhism vs Christianity posted by paper_turtle:

I use the word "Jesus" in prayer

You might want to whisper to yourself when you go among Buddhist brethren. lol.

On a serious note, Jesus often prayed and started His day drawing close to the Father. We all wonder about that somewhat, especially about the relationship of this Father and this Son. Jesus started a lot of tough days with long prayers in the early morning hours to be reminded and encouraged concerning the Father's agenda. I am trying to learn how to pray like that. It isn't easy. God does have a plan and an agenda. And sometimes I get a glimpse of it early in the morning.

i am just an oldtimer for the Lord.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» Brother_Jones - Buddhism vs Christianity

In response to Buddhism vs Christianity posted by pink101:

It is said that we get to know Jesus on a person to person basis; but, that Christ lives within us.

a lot to think on.

I AM reading a book, Studies in Doctrine, Alister E. McGrath; Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids. 1997

McGrath compiles and edits some really interesting stuff. You would enjoy, The Christian Theology Reader, published by Blackwell (1995). It truly opened my eyes concerning feminist theology with articles and essays of some very brilliant women who are studied in the Hebrew and Greek. McGrath is the Editor.

i am just an oldtimer for the Lord.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» pink101 - The Idea That We Are Jesus

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Brother Jones or anyone with any intererst,

What about the idea that we are Jesus?
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How does that work, do you know?
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Have you ever heard of any person who said they were all people? You know, like one might say, "I am all people."
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"No man is an island enitely unto himself....Don't send to ask for whom the bells toll, they toll for thee." Victor Hugo, right?
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We stand on their shoulders and we are them and they are us.
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Are you familiar with those ideas in how they apply to Jesus?
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-- posted by pink101

» Brother_Jones - The Idea That We Are Jesus

In response to The Idea That We Are Jesus posted by pink101:

What about the idea that we are Jesus?

Well, uh, I'll take run at it and see what happens. Wish me luck.

Vulgar and commonplace minds cannot see the grace
and dignity or even the nature of God. But whoever has thought themselves vulgar and lacking sense? We all tend to go the other direction. We might see somebody else as having a better writing style but almost never superior judgement. I certainly think my opinions are good and sound. But that is precisely why most people are better off when kept at a distance from philosophers and those who view themselves as scholars.

Obedience is never pure or simple with such folk.

i am just an oldtimer for the Lord.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» _Boanerges_ - The Idea That We Are Jesus

In response to The Idea That We Are Jesus posted by pink101:
We stand on their shoulders and we are them and they are us.
actually.. I agree with the Preacher... its all vanity and vexation of spirit....

and no.. you are not Jesus... I know this because - at 70+ - you cannot argue with the religious scholars of your day and mesmerize them with your wisdom... such as Jesus did - when he was 12...

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» pink101 - Trying Not To Make It Personal

In response to The Idea That We Are Jesus posted by _Boanerges_:

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Brother Jones and I have been trying not to make it personal in this thread so we could inspect some of the ideas about the Doctrine of Christ without insults to each other.
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And along comes Wendell.
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:~)
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Here's a link for you, Wendell. Maybe you can keep from making it personal long enough so that you can teach us something?
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http://www.christinyou.net/pages/inasthr...
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-- posted by pink101

» Brother_Jones - Buddhism vs Christianity

In response to Buddhism vs Christianity posted by paper_turtle:

This isn't really so counter to Christianity--God created all that is and therefore all things manifest God/God's creative genius (or love or energy).

Well, I guess. Sorta. It is like 2 and 2 almost makes 5. Great wisdom and knowledge almost makes for a life. But then along comes the great Buddha, who really was off the chart in a lot of ways and it doesn't quite work for me. I don't see the evil in life or in my own life as illusion or a tad unreal. Solomon said it pretty well when he said in Ecc 1:16-18:

16 I thought to myself, "Look, I have grown and increased in wisdom more than anyone who has ruled over Jerusalem before me; I have experienced much of wisdom and knowledge." 17 Then I applied myself to the understanding of wisdom, and also of madness and folly, but I learned that this, too, is a chasing after the wind.

18 For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
the more knowledge, the more grief.

Then along came Jesus with a very real opponent in the New Testament called Satan. So Western Civilization is a bit more concerned with sin, war, Satan, and the demons. That is the addition that adds up to 5 which sometimes makes God look cruel and parents seem a bit hostile when they spank their kids.

i am just an oldtimer for the Lord.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» _Boanerges_ - Trying Not To Make It Personal

In response to Trying Not To Make It Personal posted by pink101:
Here's a link for you, Wendell. Maybe you can keep from making it personal long enough so that you can teach us something?
well.. the article is about as long as Pauls letter to the Corinthians... In Pauls letter, his message is clear and to the point... In the article, its tedious and confusing, resulting into something akin to a college lecture...
In the end, I had to stop reading it because of the repetition of "not saying anything"...
If you want to understand the "doctrine of Christ", then my suggestion is to simply open the Bible and read it for yourself!

I find the article is loaded with assumptions and not very biblical.... In fact, I searched the site for the word "sin" and was surprised to find (so far) that it cannot be found... Thats always the first warning flag about such long and tedious articles....

Jesus spoke of sin at the beginning and stated that HE had died for the remission of sin... But alas, I could not find that in the article...

-- posted by _Boanerges_