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» Brother_Jones - "Cold Blast of Ideology"

In response to "Cold Blast of Ideology" posted by paper_turtle:

I fail to see how a comparative religion class could be thought of, even remotely, as teaching ralse religion.

I might have phrased it wrongly, but I was trying to give Kim a sense of concern that a Christian parent might have with a Buddhist who is intructing Christian kids on the comparison of Jesus with Sidhartha Ghatama, (Buddha) in a comparative religions class. I don't believe that I would think my kids would be threatened to being exposed to Buddhist ideas about Buddha but whoever teaches comparative religion is going to be somewhat subject to his/her own faith bias when it comes to explaining the beliefs of those who they differ with.

BUT many people see that the world's religions, when looked at with an open mind (and heart) share MANY values in common. Seems to me we could do a lot more good in the world if we stopped focusing on how everyone is different.

A religion that has an absence any belief in God should at the very least be questioned....don't you think?

I don't see the world as a "godless" place, and with or without organized religion humankind shares certain core values such as kindness, honesty, compassion, and decency.

I guess we have come to the place we disagree about some things. You don't believe in evil spirits, which is very odd for someone who claims to follow Christ.

I believe goodness does conquer all evil. Where is *your* faith, Brother Jones?

That has always been my concern with you, that you believe your goodness comes from within your own heart, and not from the saving blood of Christ. At least that seems to be what you have been saying lately.

My faith is in Christ, Paper Turtle.

i am just an oldtimer for the Lord.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

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» pink101 - Down the Tubes

In response to "Cold Blast of Ideology" posted by Brother_Jones:
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"My faith is in Christ..."
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Maybe you should say, "My faith is in the Christ of the Bible."
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Which, in a more real sense is to say that your faith is in the Bible. No wonder you defend it as the Revealed Word of God. If you lose that, you're down the tubes.
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-- posted by pink101

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» paper_turtle - "Cold Blast of Ideology"

In response to "Cold Blast of Ideology" posted by Brother_Jones:

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Brother Jones wrote:
I was trying to give Kim a sense of concern that a Christian parent might have with a Buddhist who is intructing Christian kids on the comparison of Jesus with Sidhartha Ghatama, (Buddha) in a comparative religions class. . . . whoever teaches comparative religion is going to be somewhat subject to his/her own faith bias when it comes to explaining the beliefs of those who they differ with.
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Not necessarily. The Dalai Lama and Thich Naht Hanh are two Buddists who have a very deep understanding of, and appreciation for, Christianity. Thomas Merton, a Catholic, had the same understanding and appreciation for Buddhism. My hunch is that a Buddhist instructor would be the least biased. (wink)
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When I took Comparative Religion in college, the instructor was not the one who did the comparisons--the students did. I would think it would place an incredible burden on anyone seeking to explain the basic tenets of his/her own religion in comparison with all others.
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If I were teaching comparative religion in high school, I would start by asking local pastors to speak, then find representatives for other religions without active congregations in my community (such as Jews, Greek Orthodox, Taoist).
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A religion that has an absence any belief in God should at the very least be questioned....don't you think?
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I believe God is called by many different names, appropriate to the culture of the religion. Who are we to say their Holy One is NOT God, particularly if the believers are wise amd loving, live peaceful lives, with stable families, and a system of governance which is just.
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you believe your goodness comes from within your own heart, and not from the saving blood of Christ. At least that seems to be what you have been saying lately.
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I believe goodness resides within the hearts of every person. I call this goodness Spirit, others may call it differently. If humankind did not possess innate goodness, we would not recognize goodness, nor seek to do what is good.
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IMHO, one who believes in Christ also believes that Christ is stronger than any evil, and that Christ has the power to preserve the church--provided the church still follows his teachings. Therefore, I don't see the point in (forgive me)wringing my hands in alarm simply because I see people who don't share my beliefs. What is true perseveres. What is false dies away.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

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» paper_turtle - "Cold Blast of Ideology"

In response to "Cold Blast of Ideology" posted by EvilChihuahua:

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The idea would be to teach what others believe, not teach that the students should believe in this or that.
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Yes, that would be my idea, too.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

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» Migisi - "Cold Blast of Ideology"

In response to "Cold Blast of Ideology" posted by BrianTubbs:
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Asking those questions are valid. Calling him a "nut" for believing in Creation is another. Do you see the difference?
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Um, if the answer is 'yes' to my question "...do you think his Creation belief would negatively impact federal funding of evolution science, or have an effect on public education curriculum", then there'd be no difference. He ~would~ be a nut.

-- posted by Migisi

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» badactor - "Cold Blast of Ideology"

In response to "Cold Blast of Ideology" posted by Brother_Jones:
A religion that has an absence any belief in God should at the very least be questioned....don't you think?

It could also be argued that any religion that makes any statement about God should at the very least be questioned.

-- posted by badactor

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» Brother_Jones - "Cold Blast of Ideology"

In response to "Cold Blast of Ideology" posted by badactor:

It could also be argued that any religion that makes any statement about God should at the very least be questioned.

Where you been? I have been worried about you? lol.

I think every detail in the life of Christ and His followers is scrutinized daily by us all. And I guess there is a reason for the notion that most of us can't claim knowledge on a single Buddhist pioneer and we wouldn't know if Gautama had parents, wife or kids or if he lived to be a ripe old age and died of food posioning.

Some things seem to matter greatly and some things are just obviously matter free, I suppose.

i am just an oldtimer for the Lord.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

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» pink101 - "Cold Blast of Ideology"

In response to "Cold Blast of Ideology" posted by badactor:

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Yupper....
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» EvilChihuahua - "Cold Blast of Ideology"

In response to "Cold Blast of Ideology" posted by paper_turtle:

Yes, that would be my idea, too.

I'd also have to say that it would work out better as a philosophy class, rather than a religion class. Many people, such as myself, do not classify Christianity, in it's purest form, as a religion, while many, many Buddhists and Atheists don't classify Buddhism or Atheism, in their purest form, as religions. There are Christian, Buddhist and Atheist (well AA anyway) religions, but it's better to teach on the philosophies of these three. The religious side would be more fitting in a study on the dangers of religionizing philosophy.

-- posted by EvilChihuahua

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» Migisi - "Cold Blast of Ideology"

In response to "Cold Blast of Ideology" posted by Brother_Jones:
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And I guess there is a reason for the notion that most of us can't claim knowledge on a single Buddhist pioneer and we wouldn't know if Gautama had parents, wife or kids or if he lived to be a ripe old age and died of food posioning.
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We'd know about Gautama if we lived in a predominantly Buddhist country, wouldn't we. Since we don't, it's no surprise so few have knowledge about Buddhism, or most other non Judeo-Christian belief systems for that matter. Christians are preoccupied with trying to understand their own religion.

-- posted by Migisi

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