Protestantism

» pink101 - America's Historic Past

In response to America's Historic Past posted by pink101:

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I'll wager that somewhere around ninety percent of Americans do not have the foggiest idea of what it means to be a party member when it comes to any political affiliation.
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Do they pay dues? Do they have membership cards? Do they get to vote on party policies? Do they vote for party leadership?
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No wonder Benjamin Franklin wanted our national bird to be the turkey.
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:~)
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - America's Historic Past

In response to America's Historic Past posted by pink101:

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No wonder Benjamin Franklin wanted our national bird to be the turkey.
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Hee hee. Gobble gobble. It would be more representative of the average American today, no? Heads down, scratching in the dirt to survive.

-- posted by Migisi

» Brian Tubbs - Religious slant

In response to Religious slant posted by Migisi:

I understand Obama's point, and I certainly don't think division should be the end goal of any thing - be it faith or whatever. That said...the Judeo-Christian principles that this country was founded upon represent certain truth claims that this country SHOULD continue to abide by. If people disagree with those values, then that's fine. But they shouldn't be allowed to point to folks like me (who embrace those traditional tenets) and accuse us of causing division.

It never ceases to amaze me that secular liberal progressives will advance these culture-changing proposals and when traditionalists like myself oppose those changes....I and those like me are accused of "intolerance" and causing division. What a crock!

» pink101 - America's Historic Past

In response to America's Historic Past posted by Migisi:

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yup
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Religious slant

In response to Religious slant posted by BrianTubbs:

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I've always thought there was something a bit odd about people who live and breathe history - as if the past was somehow way better than the present, traditions must be honored and practiced at all costs, and society and its government should not evolve and progress.

-- posted by Migisi

» Brian Tubbs - Religious slant

In response to Religious slant posted by Migisi:

I always thought it a bit odd about people who have little respect for history - as if the past was hardly important and that our distance from the past and all the change that that distance entails should be considered progress.

» pink101 - Traditions?

In response to Religious slant posted by Migisi:
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I don't suppose you can be faulted for having that view of history.
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It is a popular view that has been engendered by the way history has been taught in our schools--both private and public and at most levels.
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If you consider an individual person suffering from alzheimers disease, I think you can get a good idea of what it means to be a person that doesn't have a comprehensive knowledge of their society's history.
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It has little to do with tradition--in fact, it is the other way around. People who don't have a good knowledge of history are stuck with traditions and other illogical beliefs with which they are guided along the corridors of time. Someone, younger than them, pushing them in their wheel chair as they slowly and gradually evaporate into a world of nothingness.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Traditions?

In response to Traditions? posted by pink101:

I don't suppose you can be faulted for having that view of history.

Yes, she can

It is a popular view that has been engendered by the way history has been taught in our schools--both private and public and at most levels.

Her cynicism?

If you consider an individual person suffering from alzheimers disease, I think you can get a good idea of what it means to be a person that doesn't have a comprehensive knowledge of their society's history.

On THAT, we agree 100%. From the Baby Boomers forward, our society is pathetically ignorant of American history. We are, in the words of Pulitzer Prize winning historian David McCullough, a "historically illiterate" people.

It has little to do with tradition--in fact, it is the other way around. People who don't have a good knowledge of history are stuck with traditions and other illogical beliefs.

I would put it this way...

Flag-waving patriots with an incomplete or flawed knowledge of history are "stuck with traditions and other illogical beliefs." We agree, BUT I would also add...

Cynics with an incomplete or flawed knowledge of history are stuck with anger, bitterness, and illogical beliefs."

Works both ways. For you to limit it to just patriotic conservatives is insulting, unfair, and (yes) illogical - to use your word.

» pink101 - Freedom's Power

In response to Traditions? posted by BrianTubbs:
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There are all kinds of people that follow traditions for tradition's sake.
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People who claim to be liberals and progressive might just be that due to the environment into which they were born. "My grand daddy was a Democrat as was my daddy and so I am a Democrat and all my kids are Democrats too." That can be said about just about any sort of a line-up with which you want to identify any one.
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That's why it is important to have an open mind and to seek information with which you are not in agreement. Sometimes we stumble on to something we otherwise would pass on over.
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I've picked up a new book I'm going to read with interest. I watched the author over the weekend on Book Notes TV. A very engaging scholar.
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FREEDOM'S POWER the True Force of LIBERALISM; by Pulitzer Prize winner, Paul Starr; Basic Books--Perseus Books Group, New York, NY, copyright 2007.
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Here's a link on Starr: http://www.princeton.edu/~starr/
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Here's a link on the book I will be reading,
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http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksea...
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I'm very thankful that there are men like Starr who make it their business to be so informed on our historical roots as they impinge on our current state of affairs.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Freedom's Power

In response to Freedom's Power posted by pink101:

I'm curious. Do you EVER read books by moderates and/or conservatives?