Protestantism

» pink101 - Cindy Sheehan Resigns

In response to Cindy Sheehan Resigns posted by Migisi:
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I'm sorry, I thought your post was from Brian.
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That's the second time in a week that I thought I was responding to someone else.
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Must be old age creeping up on me.
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:~)

-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Glorifying War?

In response to Glorifying War? posted by paper_turtle:
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Today, May 30th, is America's Traditional Memorial Day. Bankers lobbied in the past to get it set as the last Monday in May.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Cindy Sheehan Resigns

In response to Cindy Sheehan Resigns posted by Migisi:
to Cindy Sheehan Resigns posted by Migisi:
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I'm sorry, I thought your post was from Brian.
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That's the second time in a week that I thought I was responding to someone else.
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Must be old age creeping up on me.
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:~)
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She has paid a terrible price and suffered a great loss. Her heart must have been terribly broken. Imagine that she is called an "Attention Whore". How sad for her and her family.
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A mother who had delivered a new baby into the world and who lost it to a war that she is unable to justify. The pain of her loss must be searing.
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War is sooooooo wrong.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Cindy Sheehan Resigns

In response to Cindy Sheehan Resigns posted by paper_turtle:

As you point out, I didn't say "good riddance" with respect to her death. I wouldn't say that. But I DO say "good riddance" with respect to her decision to step away from the public limelight.

This is the woman who called the terrorists "freedom fighters" - the same ones who are killing American soldiers. That's a remark that she and her admirers should be ashamed of. She lost any and all credibility with me when she said that.

» Brian Tubbs - Casey Sheehan

Besides, I care more about what CASEY Sheehan thought regarding the war, than Cindy.

» pink101 - Cindy Sheehan Resigns

In response to Cindy Sheehan Resigns posted by BrianTubbs:
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Your post here is an example of how framing an issue can control what people who are exposed to it might think.
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How would you describe the American colonists who tarred and feathered those British agents and sympathizers who would not reject their ties to the king? Would you call them terrorists or would you call them freedom fighters?
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What sermons would you have preached on Sabboth regarding the law as laid down by the king and his agents? How long would it have been before you were brought face to face with a people's court?
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-- posted by pink101

» paper_turtle - Cindy Sheehan Resigns

In response to Cindy Sheehan Resigns posted by BrianTubbs:
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This is the woman who called the terrorists "freedom fighters" - the same ones who are killing American soldiers.
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So, is it OK, then, to call American troops "freedom fighters" while *they* are killing people?
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She lost any and all credibility with me when she said that.
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Falwell begin to lose credibility with me with his remarks about Teletubbies. He completely lost all credibility with his 9-11 remarks.
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To be truthful, I'm a bit shocked at your lack of sympathy for what she's been through.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

» Brian Tubbs - Answering Pink

In response to Cindy Sheehan Resigns posted by pink101:

First, my comments are no more "framing" than yours. We all have our points of view and are all advocating them. So, don't give yourself complete freedom of discretion as to how you argue YOUR side - and then claim that I'm somehow being manipulative or what-not in arguing mine.

Now to your questions...

How would you describe the American colonists who tarred and feathered those British agents and sympathizers who would not reject their ties to the king?

The tarring and feathering was done by the Sons of Liberty and other mob type gangs. I always thought that was extreme and unnecessary, as was the destruction of property (such as the trashing of Lt Gov Hutchinson's house in Massachusetts).

The more PROPER and appropriate protests came from the likes of John Adams and Ben Franklin.

Would you call them terrorists or would you call them freedom fighters?

As extreme as the tarring and feathering and destruction of property was -- I don't believe the Sons of Liberty ever strapped bombs to themselves and blew up British soldiers. Nor did they just KILL British soldiers to make a point. There is a big difference between destruction of property and destruction of human life.
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What sermons would you have preached on Sabboth regarding the law as laid down by the king and his agents? How long would it have been before you were brought face to face with a people's court?

What kind of an inflammatory question is this? You're heading over the deep end here, Pink. First, a pastor (one who is doing his job) is accountable to GOD and not the "people's court." I don't submit my sermons for public approval, nor do I think ANY pastor should!!! Second, I don't know HOW I would have lived, acted, believed, etc. in 1775-76. I wasn't there. I know that my paternal ancestors were largely Patriot (as in pro-colonial America), and I know that I agree with the colonial position in retrospect (speaking from a 21st century perspective). Beyond that, what can I say?

» Brian Tubbs - Paper Turtle

In response to Cindy Sheehan Resigns posted by paper_turtle:

PT, first, why you see the need to bring Falwell into this is beyond me. There IS a thread for Jerry Falwell. Let's talk about him there. I have no problem debating Falwell's legacy with ANYONE, so long as it doesn't degenerate into name-calling and caricatures.

Let's keep our focus on Cindy Sheehan. I do have sympathy - a LOT of sympathy - for ALL the folks who have lost loved ones in Iraq (American and Iraqi). But my sympathy does not - and should NOT - extend to where I give a blanket pass to anything these people say and/or do. Should it?

I'm going to pretend you didn't make that comment equating our American troops with the terrorists. It would be better for both of us if I let that one go, so I will.

» paper_turtle - Paper Turtle

In response to Paper Turtle posted by BrianTubbs:

Go back and read my first post about Sheehan and this should clarify why I keep mentioning Falwell.
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I don't see how having sympathy for someone should be connected with whether or not you approve of their actions. To say "good riddance" seems, well, cold and (frankly) self-righteous.
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She lost a child. There is no more painful loss in the world. Her loss caused her to work to try to save other parents from losing their children. You may not agree with her, or approve of her, but a little sensitivity would go a long way.

peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle