Protestantism

» HeadZenCards - Falderow Set Aside

In response to Falderow Set Aside posted by pink101:

Yes: Jesus is one who would strike children dead. I am against that Jesus. Are you?

One who would inspire infanticide is not one who is allowed to search hearts and minds, as that one has forfeited his (dare I say it?) SOUL.

That one, the Jesus of Revelation who strikes children dead, is a prisoner to the children he kills. He is now and will forever be unable to pay anyone anything.

Shall we forgive this Jesus? I will leave it to the children of Revelation, the children of 1 Sam. 15, the children of the Inquisition, the children of the Crusades and the children of the Holocaust to do that.

I will not allow his murderous influence to go unchallenged.

-- posted by HeadZenCards

» pink101 - Set The Falderow Aside

In response to Falderow Set Aside posted by HeadZenCards:
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I think it's B.S. put there to make some primitive point or another.
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I quit sweating that stuff a long time ago.
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I'm more interested in what is taking place today as it impinges on tomorrow and how my descendants and others will fare.
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Ranting about something people don't read or understand doesn't do any good as far as I can see. It's bad enough trying to get people to rationalize beyond their ideologies. Have you noticed?
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-- posted by pink101

» EvilChihuahua - Falderow Set Aside

In response to Falderow Set Aside posted by Migisi:

Do you believe everything that's written in the Bible? All of it?

Yes as a matter of fact. I've seen enough evidence to convince me.

Wasn't Adam the son of God too? Made in God's image and likeness. Being a child of God yourself through Adam's line, are you not also a son of God? Or would you be God's great, great, great, (to the power of ?) grandson?

Was Adam God in the flesh?

He (like me) was a son of God, but not the Son of God.

'Will save', or has saved already? So, if Jesus has already paid for your sins past, present, and future - you don't have to pay for them yourself. You've got your ticket to Heaven no matter what you do. Or, does Jesus' free gift of salvation come with strings attached?

I said "will save us" meaning that if repent of our sins He wil save us, not could, would or should.

Jesus paid for our sins, but it does matter what we do, past, present or future. If we reject Him, we reject the price He paid, so it is us who still pays for them. If a man accepts Jesus today, but murders his family tomorrow and dies, he won't make it to Heaven. But if he repents (truthfully) before his death, and commits no sins after repenting, he will make it. The whole "Once saved, always saved" belief is one of the biggest lies amonst Christians today.

In the Bible, there were more than 'one' who rose from the dead, and raised people from the dead.

True, but who raised them? Jesus, unlike the others in the Bible, has authority over death. He rose on his own, while the others had to be risen.

Elijah raised a dead boy, Elisha raised a dead boy, Paul brought a boy back to life, Peter raised Tabitha, a corpse touched Elisha's bones and came back to life

Elijah, Elisha, Paul and Peter may have risen people, but it was in fact God working through them.

-- posted by EvilChihuahua

» Brian Tubbs - Answering Migisi (Post 11)

In response to Falderow Set Aside posted by Migisi:

Do you believe everything that's written in the Bible? All of it?

You're setting up a trap here, and you know it. Much of the Bible is allegorical ("I am the Door," "I am the Vine," etc) and much of it is poetic expression (many of the Psalms) and/or general wisdom principles (Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, etc).

I'll answer your question this way. I believe completely and totally in God and His revelation, and I trust the Bible as a written record of that revelation. But I do not believe in twisting the Bible into a superficial caricature as I've seen many professing Christians do and MOST critics do.

Wasn't Adam the son of God too? Made in God's image and likeness.

In a manner of speaking...yes. But Jesus is clearly identified in a special and unique way as "God's only begotten Son."

Being a child of God yourself through Adam's line, are you not also a son of God? Or would you be God's great, great, great, (to the power of ?) grandson?

You're just reaching for problems here.

'Will save', or has saved already? So, if Jesus has already paid for your sins past, present, and future - you don't have to pay for them yourself. You've got your ticket to Heaven no matter what you do. Or, does Jesus' free gift of salvation come with strings attached?

The "string" is you have to accept it and acknowledge who it is that's offering it to you. That's not an unreasonable "string."

And that "string" does not - in ANY way - contradict the Bible's description of the gift as free. Salvation is free, but it's not a free handout.

In the Bible, there were more than 'one' who rose from the dead, and raised people from the dead. Are they all divine beings because they rose, or raised others?

They were all divinely empowered. Jesus' resurrection is significant because it was the ultimate stamp of authentication - given Him by God the Father.

....Jesus wasn't the only man to appear to others after his death. Moses and Elijah appeared and talked to Jesus. Peter, James, and John his brother saw them.

Your point is......?

The significance of the resurrection appearances is that they were presented by Paul (and I'll stick to him, because even the most LIBERAL scholars concede I Corinthians to Paul) as EVIDENCE of the reality of Jesus' resurrection.

» Migisi - Falderow Set Aside

In response to Falderow Set Aside posted by EvilChihuahua:
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Yes as a matter of fact. I've seen enough evidence to convince me.
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Sigh. I've asked believers over and over, what 'evidence'?
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Was Adam God in the flesh?
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Gen. 3:22 - "And the LORD God said, Behold, THE MAN IS BECOME AS ONE OF US..." Adam became just like one of ~them~. Ah, but which 'one' of them?
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How can a pure/perfect god (Jesus-IS-God) enter, exist inside, and be nourished by an impure/imperfect human body (Mary)? And then the pure/perfect god spirit exist in Jesus' impure/imperfect human body? Oil and water don't mix. If it's possible that pure and impure can co-exist together in one vessel or place, then (IMO) impure/imperfect Man can enter and exist in pure/perfect Heaven. Is this possible according to Christian doctrine?
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He (like me) was a son of God, but not the Son of God.
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Just for fun, have you ever thought about this:
Gen 6:1 - "When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 THE SONS OF GOD saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose..."
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days-and also afterward - when the SONS OF GOD went to the daughters of men and had children by them. THEY WERE THE HEROES OF OLD, MEN OF RENOWN."
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Have you ever researched who the Nephilim were? Check it out here: http://www.geocities.com/nephilimnot/nep...
(quote) "the Nephilim are considered by many as demigods, the unnatural offspring of the daughters of men and mortal women in cohabitation with" the sons of god." This utterly unnatural union, violating God's created order of being, was such a shocking abnormality as to necessitate the worldwide judgment of the flood." [The New Unger's Bible Dictionary]
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"The most noteworthy alternative opinion regarding the derivative word of Nephilim is that it refers to a class of Angels descended from Orion. In ancient Aramaic, the constellation Orion was known as Nephila, Orion's descendants would then be known as Nephilim [Peake's Commentary on the Bible ]
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The offspring of the mortal sons of God and the Nephilim were the 'heroes of old, men of renown." Fun stuff, no?
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I said "will save us" meaning that if repent of our sins He wil save us,
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This means you aren't saved by the grace of God. You're saved by your works. The free gift of salvation isn't free - it's conditional on what you DO. And if you can't change your ways and become perfect, you don't get the gift. Hmm.
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But if he repents (truthfully) before his death, and commits no sins after repenting, he will make it.
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Hitler could be in Heaven right now if he repented right after he took his cyanide pill.
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True, but who raised them? Jesus, unlike the others in the Bible, has authority over death. He rose on his own, while the others had to be risen.
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Jesus was dead when the dead holy people rose from their tombs. Elijah was dead when the corpse touched his bones and came to life. The dead can raise the dead? Fascinating.
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Elijah, Elisha, Paul and Peter may have risen people, but it was in fact God working through them.
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Why did God have to 'work through them'? Why couldn't he have resurrected those people himself - like you say he raised Jesus? Why share his power with mere men - who would then be seen as gods themselves.

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - Falderow Set Aside

In response to Falderow Set Aside posted by Migisi:
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Hitler could be in Heaven right now if he repented right after he took his cyanide pill.
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Hitler died after having shot himself or having someone shoot him.
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Goering is the one who took the cyanide.
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Answering Migisi (Post 11)

In response to Answering Migisi (Post 11) posted by BrianTubbs:
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You're setting up a trap here, and you know it.
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I was asking Kim some follow up questions about what HE believes. Have you come to rescue him from ol' trickster Migisi? If so, he doesn't need it.
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In a manner of speaking...yes. But Jesus is clearly identified in a special and unique way as "God's only begotten Son."
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He'd have to be identified by his followers as special and unique among all the other sons of God, or he couldn't be deified. However, scriptures refer to God's other 'sons', so how could Jesus be his 'only'?
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You're just reaching for problems here.
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Um, no. I'm reaching for answers here. How about offering one.
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The "string" is you have to accept it and acknowledge who it is that's offering it to you. That's not an unreasonable "string."
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'Strings' nonetheless. When you give your kids a birthday gift, are there strings attached - like a bribe: "you either get an A in History, or I won't give you this gift"? Or do you give it freely because you love them?
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Salvation is free, but it's not a free handout.
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Salvation is either free or it isn't.
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They were all divinely empowered. Jesus' resurrection is significant because it was the ultimate stamp of authentication - given Him by God the Father.
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"ultimate stamp of authentication" - and this means what in common English? That the others who raised the dead weren't authentic? You did say they were divinely empowered by God too, no?
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Your point is......?
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You know my point. Long-dead Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus, and Peter, James, and John. Jesus allegedly appeared to X number of people after his death too. Were Moses and Elijah also resurrected God(s)?
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The significance of the resurrection appearances is that they were presented by Paul... as EVIDENCE of the reality of Jesus' resurrection.
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Paul made a lot of claims, but his own versions of his Damascus conversion story conflict in detail. I don't consider what Paul says as EVIDENCE of anything. He'd never met Jesus, didn't walk and talk with Jesus, wasn't there at Jesus' death or resurrection, or witness himself any appearances afterwards. He is not a reliable witness to anything, IMO.

-- posted by Migisi

» Migisi - Falderow Set Aside

In response to Falderow Set Aside posted by pink101:

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Thanks. I stand corrected.

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - Christianity Has Changed

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Christianity has changed--drastically--over the past generation.
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For example, this song has no relevance to present day believers:
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http://my.homewithgod.com/heavenlymidis2...
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Instead of heeding the criticism, many defend their present position of political action in defense of capitalism and prosperity.
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-- posted by pink101

» paper_turtle - Falderow Set Aside

In response to Falderow Set Aside posted by Migisi:

Gen. 3:22 - "And the LORD God said, Behold, THE MAN IS BECOME AS ONE OF US..." Adam became just like one of ~them~. Ah, but which 'one' of them?
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"Us" in this passage is the royal or editorial "we." Hebrew uses this same grammatical idiom. It does not mean God was referring to God's self as plural.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle