Protestantism

» Brian Tubbs - Hi Brian

In response to Hi Brian posted by pink101:

I am preparing a blog on this subject. It should post tomorrow or the next day.

» Brian Tubbs - Doubt it

In response to Hi Brian posted by HeadZenCards:

If the Christian church made up the doctrine of the Trinity to make Christianity more impressive, they exercised poor judgment in doing so. The Trinity is NOT a great "PR" doctrine, because it IS so hard for people to grasp.

I understand you don't buy it, Oliver. That's fine. It's what religious freedom is all about.

» pink101 - Trinity Obfuscates What Jesus Taught

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How about the idea that the Trinity obfuscates what Jesus taught about atonement?
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Can you handle that?
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Doubt it

In response to Doubt it posted by BrianTubbs:

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The Trinity is NOT a great "PR" doctrine, because it IS so hard for people to grasp.
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Actually, primitive people grasped the concept, as I posted before in 'God and Children'...
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A triad or Trinity is not an original or unique concept to Christianity. I'm sure you've heard of these triads people believed in at one time:
--- Trimurti - the Hindu triad (some ~still~ believe today)
--- Nimrod, Tammuz, Simerimas (or Shamash, Sin, and Ishtar) - the Babylonian triads
--- Mitra, Varuna, Indra - the Hittite triad
--- EL/Yah, Tammuz/Baal, Ashtoreth/Shekhina - the triad of backslidden Israel
--- Jupiter, Mars, Venus - the Roman triad
--- Oriris, Horus, Isis - the Egyptian triad
--- Zeus, Apollo, Athena - the Greek triad
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So much is borrowed and shared ... holidays and festivals, rituals, animal sacrifice, miracles, crucifixion, resurrection, virgin birth. I think the triad or trinity concept was also borrowed. There really was no other way to deify Jesus except to make him ~part~ of the Judeo God. But others in the early church believed Jesus was a 'creation' of God - like you and me - and therefore to declare Jesus-IS-God was blasphemy.

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - Doubt it

In response to Doubt it posted by Migisi:
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Colossians 2:9
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"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,"
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Doubt it

In response to Doubt it posted by pink101:
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According to PAUL. And being Rome-educated, Paul was certainly familiar with triads.
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There are churches today that hold to Arian doctrine (not to be confused with 'Aryan'). Check it out: http://www.arian-catholic.org.uk/

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - Do You Interpret That Verse

In response to Doubt it posted by Migisi:
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Do you interpret that verse to imply that all of Christ is God?
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Do You Interpret That Verse

In response to Do You Interpret That Verse posted by pink101:
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NIV reads: 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
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Paul believed Jesus was God...
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Colossians 1:15 - "He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,.."
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Matthew 28:19 - "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
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http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/libra...
"All but the most conservative of scholars agree that at least the latter part of this command was inserted later. The formula occurs nowhere else in the New Testament, and we know from the only evidence available (the rest of the New Testament) that the earliest Church did not baptize people using these words - baptism was 'into' or 'in' the name of Jesus alone. Thus it is argued that the verse originally read 'baptizing them in my name' and then was expanded to work in the dogma. In fact, the first view put forward by German critical scholars as well as the Unitarians in the nineteenth century, was stated as the accepted position of mainline scholarship as long ago as 1919, when Peake's commentary was first published: 'The church of the first days did not observe this world-wide commandment, even if they new it. The command to baptize into the threefold name is a late doctrinal expansion.'"
"For Christ's sake," Tom Harpur, p. 103

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - Do You Interpret That Verse

In response to Do You Interpret That Verse posted by Migisi:
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Let's say you have the fullness of God within you. Does that make you God?
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-- posted by pink101

» HeadZenCards - Doubt it

In response to Doubt it posted by BrianTubbs:

No, the Trinity makes it easier to hide the truth. For example, if "God" grosses you out with the baby killing thing, well, there's Cool Hippie Jesus; if Jesus who kills Jezebel's children with death is not your cuppa tea, there's the Holy Ghost.

Everybody's got a voice in their head that will tell them something nice occasionally, right?

And, understand, that I bought it for years...

May human beings everywhere help you wherever you are in your quest to be a good person.

Once you come to see that they are not "ghosts", you will see your true freedom.

-- posted by HeadZenCards