Protestantism

» GodChsr - Dispensationalism

In response to Dispensationalism posted by pink101:

You just don't get it... I don't care about your opinion on whether Jesus is real and God is omnipotent or whether oranges are sweet and apples are bitter... I DON'T CARE.

I posted a topic about dispensationalism BUT You and the Troll come waltzing in to talk about the Amalekites vs God's command and your own personal views on whether God actually calls sin, sin.

START A THREAD OF YOUR OWN or contribute to a Dispensationalistic debate.

-- posted by GodChsr

» Migisi - yawn

In response to yawn posted by GodChsr:
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If no one stands then we must all be accepting that Dispensationalism is a lie.
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I'll stand with you that it's a lie, Stephen. Maybe there's nobody here who disagrees with you on this?

-- posted by Migisi

» Brother_Jones - Dispensationalism

In response to Dispensationalism posted by GodChsr:

I posted a topic about dispensationalism

For some reason due to a copyright issue, Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words is unavailable. And I am just too plain lazy to type in the full rendering he gives Oikonomia or dispensation. Your first entry seems to agree with the idea of stewardship or right management rather than periods of time or epochs. But he also adds that that management includes 'unfolding of the completion of the Divinely arranged and imparted cycle of truths consummated in the truth relating to the Church as the Body of Christ.'

The usage that most of the text seems to be pointing at is the times and occurance of the 'grace of God,' being unfolded in the life of Jesus Christ as opposed to the times when men were instructed to offer up their own offerings of sacrifice with the help of a priest to God.

Naturally it all sounds hokey pokey religious mumbo to the unbelievers who pray not for themselves daily, or for others, or for their enemies because they know not God or His son, Jesus. And they have no plans to manage Oikonomia their lives in the Spirit. And it is not that they don't know of Christ or of His message. They know it and they reject it with all of their being. So it becomes the opposite of dispensation in their lives. It becomes chaos. Life has little or no meaning beyond the present moment and the grave is yawning.

i am just an oldtimer for the Lord.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» paper_turtle - yawn

In response to yawn posted by GodChsr:

I remember once, a long time ago here at the Suite trying to discuss dispensationalism with someone. (Anyone remember the guy who used the eccentric punctuation? He would type commas where apostrophes should have gone, as in "don,t" rather than "don't" ).

Anyway, to be truthful I don't remember a lot of what I learned about it. The only thing which sticks in my mind is that it didn't make much sense to me. Sorry I can't offer you anything of substance.

peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

» HeadZenCards - Troll

In response to Troll posted by GodChsr:

I contributed the most important message you'll ever hear earlier.

What is your reason for why Jews do not believe in jerks and trolls like Jesus?

-- posted by HeadZenCards

» Migisi - Some help?

In response to yawn posted by paper_turtle:
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I don't know if this will help folks ~understand~ the topic, but it does appear to have some good information.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensatio...
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From the site:
- the dispensation of innocence (Gen 1:1-3:7), prior to Adam's fall,
- of conscience (Gen 3:8-8:22), Adam to Noah,
- of government (Gen 9:1-11:32), Noah to Abraham,
- of patriarchal rule (Gen 12:1-Exod 19:25), Abraham to Moses,
- of the Mosaic Law (Exod 20:1-Acts 2:4), Moses to Christ,
- of grace (Acts 2:4-Rev 20:3 - except for Hyperdispensationalists), the current church age, and
- of a literal, earthly 1,000-year Millennial Kingdom that has yet to come but soon will (Rev 20:4-20:6)
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"Each dispensation is said to represent a different way in which God deals with man, often a different test for man. "These periods are marked off in Scripture by some change in God's method of dealing with mankind, in respect to two questions: of sin, and of man's responsibility," explained C. I. Scofield. "Each of the dispensations may be regarded as a new test of the natural man, and each ends in judgment-marking his utter failure in every dispensation."
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"Christian Dispensationalists sometimes embrace what some critics have pejoratively called Judeophilia-ranging from support of the State of Israel, to observing traditional Jewish holidays and practicing traditionally Jewish religious rituals. (See also Jewish Christians and Judaizers.) At any rate, dispensationalists are typically, in practical terms, Zionists and allies of the Jews and enthusiastic popularizers of Judaica, and foes of anti-Semitism (in the conventional sense)."

-- posted by Migisi

» _Boanerges_ - Dispensationalism

In response to Dispensationalism posted by GodChsr:

My main contention is that dispensationalists believe that those who came before Jesus where saved because of a Lamb sacrifice. I entirely call that BS.

again.. that is not correct. dispensation simply means that God has 2 programs and 2 peoples (the Church and the Jews w/ the land... It has nothing to do with the "sacrifice"

imagine (and it's a likely scenario for that time) A poor man lives in the desert and his family is far from the cities. They don't have a spotless lamb and can't afford to travel a 2 or 3 day trip to make a sacrifice... he dies... and what? goes to hell???

Here is where you do not know what you speak, because you have not studied the OT.. If a person had nothing, he could use the littlest of birds as a sacrifice.. called a turtledove (which is actually a pigeon)...

Surely not. This is not the Gospel messag that Christ gives us.

and this is the point of WHAT dispensationalism is. The Jews were not given (until pentecost) the "Gospel message" They were told to preach the message of the "kingdom" and that, the kingdom of heaven is at hand (in that day).. Today, we do not preach that message, we preach the Gospel message (hence, the dispensation of grace)...

Now then, when you look in the book of Revelation, you do not see the Church, nor the "Gospel" message.. but, BEHOLD, the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND (again)....

In fact it's opposite. Christ is trying to show us that HE has been the promise...

From Eve, God promised a "redeemer".. Imagine Eve.. She thought that was here first son!... So, those who sacrificed prior to Christ did so on "credit" and until the time of JEsus' death and resurrection, they were not saved by HIS sacrifice. These people are not part of the church, but are in fact titled as OT saints, and do not belong to the Church, but belong to the kingdom of heaven ON EARTH... John the Baptist said that he was not HE that comes, but a FRIEND.. (hence the parable of the friend of the bridegroom..)

See, only CHRIST is salvation... for now and for ever was. Not... salvation begna 2000 years ago on the cross. It was ALWAYS available... God knew it all from the beginning.

True.. but that has nothing to do with dispensations...

-- posted by _Boanerges_

» Migisi - Judeophilia

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Blank Cheque
http://www.subter.com/is/?p=77
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Snippets:
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"This support amounts to a blank cheque. It is uncritical and absolute. As such, it draws criticism. If Israel can rely on a powerful friend regardless of the circumstances or their behaviour, why should Israel seek peace? Why should Israel respect international law if it can ignore it with impunity? When George Bush was president he held out American support in order to get the Knesset to back the Oslo agreement. His son, however, is a Dispensationalist and as president has made his unwavering support for Israel very clear. Of course, since Israel's founding America has been a friend - and the first President Bush was no exception - so even as we take Dispensationalist support into consideration, we should remember that Israel has always acted in its perceived best interest.
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Another criticism is that the Dispensationist understanding of modern Israel is naïve, even simplistic. That it mistakes the 20th century Jewish state for one that ended two thousand years ago. But the identification of these two nations as being one and the same is the basis of modern Israel itself. Why did the Jews resettle in Palestine if they didn't associate it with the Judean Kingdom the Romans had forced their forefathers from? Moreover, Dispensationalists have also been criticized because - as explained above - they don't care as much about the Jewish people as they do for the place the Jews have in their prophetic interpretations. Some have extended this criticism into an accusation of anti-Semitism because of the belief that the Jews will be brought into Christianity eventually. But the reality is that both sides are using the other. Dispensationalists support Israel because they see is as instrumental in the return of Jesus, Israel courts Dispensationalists because they want an influential friend. No one in the Israeli government actually believes that there will be a Rapture, a Tribulation, or that Jesus is coming. So what harm will there be in encouraging Dispensationalists?
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"..Dispensationalists believe that the hatred so widely felt for Israel is all a part of God's plan. That its neighbours will seek to destroy it. That blood will flow like rivers throughout the country. In spite of the fact that Jesus Himself said, "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God." (Matthew 5:9), Dispensationalists see the peace process as a tool of Satan, a stepping stone to the One World Government of the Anti-Christ. It is enough to give one pause; or, it should be enough. Even if one were to stick to religious ideals, the Bible says that God judges each man according to his works (Rev 20:13). That there is no blank cheque, no free pass, from the consequences of our behaviour. So how can a relationship inspired by Christian teachings take hope in each suicide bombing and retaliatory strike? Dispensationalists have set a high standard as supporters of Israel, they need to act as true friends of Israel and temper that support with the values they themselves prescribe."

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - Grube & Leahy--An Item Again?

In response to Dispensationalism posted by _Boanerges_:
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Looks like you either forgot to log-in as GodChsr or that you and Grube have become an item once again.
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Your styles are undeniably so much the same.
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You did that once before if I'm not mistaken.
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:~)
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And, weren't you the one who created a log-in that looked as though you were me and subsequently caused me to be misrepresented?
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Am I wrong?
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???

-- posted by pink101

» _Boanerges_ - Grube & Leahy--An Item Again?

In response to Grube & Leahy--An Item Again? posted by pink101:
weren't you the one who created a log-in that looked as though you were me and subsequently caused me to be misrepresented? Am I wrong?

ummm.. no.. and yes, you are wrong...

-- posted by _Boanerges_