Protestantism

» Brian Tubbs - Asking in Prayer

In response to Arrogance posted by Migisi:

Migisi, first most of your quotes are the same statements Jesus made - you're just giving all the Gospel renditions of those quotes. But anyway...

Asking for something in Jesus' name means MUCH, MUCH more than just mouthing those words. We've gotten in the habit of tacking "in Jesus' name" on the end of our prayers, and thinking we've done some great thing. That's NOT what praying in Jesus' name really means.

Praying in Jesus' name means that you're making your requests in HIS service - and on HIS behalf. (And, of course, prayer is really about spending time with God anyway - not treating Him like a Sears catalog - see James 4:2-4).

Lastly, praying in Jesus' name (I believe) also means praying LIKE Jesus. And we have the Lord's Prayer as a guide for that. In it, Jesus makes clear that we are to submit our desires to the Lord's WILL. "Thy kingdom come...Thy will be done." In addition, Jesus' prayer in Gethesemane demonstrates this when he pleads with the Father to let the "cup pass from me," but then says: "Not my will, but thy will be done." And then submits himself to the Cross.

Prayer is NOT as one-dimensional as you and Oliver are making it out to be.

» Brian Tubbs - Disagreements

In response to Arrogance posted by pink101:

Pink, disagreements over the meaning of the Bible don't disprove the Bible. If you think they do, then you'd have to also say that disagreements over the legacy, intentions, wisdom, and policies of Abraham Lincoln disprove Abraham Lincoln.

Objectively speaking, the Bible is one of the most profound books (I would say the MOST profound book) EVER penned in all of human history! OF COURSE...there are going to be disagreements over it.

» Migisi - Asking in Prayer

In response to Asking in Prayer posted by BrianTubbs:
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not treating Him like a Sears catalog -
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Actually, I got more from the Sears and Montogmery Wards catalogs, and Santa, than I ever did from prayer.

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - Out of Context?

In response to Out of Context? posted by jlthomp:
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Thanks for your input.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Disagreements

In response to Disagreements posted by BrianTubbs:
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"...disagreements over the meaning of the Bible don't disprove the Bible."
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They can't disprove the Bible. Instead they show how different one interpretation can be from another.
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I think I see something happening in religion today that is devastating to its integrity--a crescendo of self destruction is building up in it. Time will tell.
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-- posted by pink101

» paper_turtle - Out of Context?

In response to Out of Context? posted by jlthomp:

Hi, Jim, and welcome!

You wrote:
One will not find such a person bragging on his own, personal truth, but that person will say little--and change much. That "fruit of the Spirit" is the one reliable indicator of ones grasp of truth.
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Yes--I am not persuaded by long-windedness, overly elaborate arguments, or arrogance. From what I have observed, those who appear to be persuaded by such means have usually either been intimidated into it, or simply caved in out of sheer weariness.
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The dissonance between messages of love or wisdom and words of derision is enough to convince me to look elsewhere.
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We can argue 'til we're blue-in-the-face, or 'til the air's blue, and we won't convince anyone of something they've already decided is false. That's why I don't debate. I'm always happy to participate in a spirited discussion, but it ends when sarcasm, intimidation, name-calling or anger enters.
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You see, Brian, I too am phobic about confrontation.
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I agree. Once the line has been crossed from spirited discussion to verbal violence, reason has left the room. I don't see that as phobic, but wise.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

» pink101 - Verbal Violence

In response to Out of Context? posted by paper_turtle:
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Verbal violence. That's a concept!
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Violence usually connotes the idea that some fairly devastating damage is being done, right?
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So, would you give a good example of Verbal Violence?
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-- posted by pink101

» paper_turtle - Verbal Violence

In response to Verbal Violence posted by pink101:

Instead of disagreeing with someone or simply saying "I don't find your arguments valid,"

the person engaging in verbal violence would say,

"You're a fool!" Or, "Only an idiot would say something like that." Or, "You obviously are incapable of rational thought."

That's verbal violence.

peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

» pink101 - Verbal Violence

In response to Verbal Violence posted by paper_turtle:
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How about telling others that you ignore what people say because it is not worthy of consideration?
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Is that a form of verbal violence?
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-- posted by pink101

» HeadZenCards - Out of Context?

In response to Out of Context? posted by jlthomp:

Jesus made outrageous claims that can be simply tested. Turns out he was a braggart and a liar.

You say that Jesus wrote the book. I've been up all night searching for the book of Jesus but can't find it. My bible stops at Revelation, where Jesus kills Jezebel's children with death.

The "fruit" of Jesus' spirit was intolerance. He attempted to turn good people like you against good people like me. He failed.

-- posted by HeadZenCards