Protestantism

» pink101 - Change

In response to Change posted by paper_turtle:
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Its not just BroJo.
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That's the point, isn't it?
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But, the question is, how can we understand where another person is in their life if we are unable--in our own mind--to give voice to their position. We must be able to articulate their understandings. We cannot know how another thinks unless they unload to us. Is it ever important to have that kind of a relationship where people can be so intimate that they are able to lay it on the line? Many Christians CLAIM to care deeply about the existence of all people on a personal basis.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Walking A Mile

In response to Change posted by pink101:
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And, the point is something about how the American Natives talked about walking a mile in another's mocasins.
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-- posted by pink101

» paper_turtle - Change

In response to Change posted by pink101:

Phil wrote:
But, the question is, how can we understand where another person is in their life if we are unable--in our own mind--to give voice to their position. We must be able to articulate their understandings. We cannot know how another thinks unless they unload to us. Is it ever important to have that kind of a relationship where people can be so intimate that they are able to lay it on the line? Many Christians CLAIM to care deeply about the existence of all people on a personal basis.
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I'm not sure if I understand what you've said here. Are you saying you want to know what someone would say about a particular issue *before* they have said it? Are you implying you can know another person well enough to predict what they might say about Issue A or Question B?
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Or, are you saying that within a particular discussion when Mary presents her points you completely understand them?
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With regard to the first option, I think that's impossible--at least not to the extent that you can possess full and total knowledge of another person's way of thinking. And I think assuming one does fully know another in that way is a barrier to understanding. We are all full of contradictions and surprises.
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We do have a sense of which kinds of topics/statements might be persuasive to another. We can be reasonably sure, say, that John will get angry if we contended Jesus rode a motorcycle. When I'm teaching I intuitively understand what "hooks" my students and what turns them off--but I can't always verbalize this understanding.
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With regard to the second option, restating the other's position in one's own words, or asking the kinds of questions I have asked here usually work for me.
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And one more thing, where a person is in one's life in the present may not be readily apparent in one's position on a particular issue. But what is universal to all people is that certain emotions lead to certain responses to the issues. Times of fear lead to prejudice, restrictive laws, and increased violence.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

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» pink101 - Talking About "It"

In response to Change posted by paper_turtle:
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I have to apologize for not clearly making my point.
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Maybe I rush over some forgottenh details.
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Discussion is a form of communication in which two or more people get involved in the exchange of their thinking about some topic.
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When individuals involved with each other base their comments on some ideology they usually bypass a great deal of what it took for them to gather such a perception of reality. Especially in discussions, as it were, such as these, in which participants can come and go. Some one comes in, takes a shot, and is gone never to return; but, those left might deal with the remaining impact.
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My point regarding the idea of "giving voice to" what any other might person think is that unless we have ample information we cannot know what it is they are putting forth. This is especially so when they speak using coded language.
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Several questions can surface as a result. Our little friends, who, why, what, when, where, and how can come in to play if we will let them. But, what happens when the other person ignores requests for additional information? We can be left holding the bag.
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Discouraging.
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:~)
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Sister Turtle

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Please read posts 59 and 60 in the Jerry Falwell thread.
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-- posted by pink101

» HeadZenCards - Talking About "It"

In response to Talking About "It" posted by pink101:

This is why I advise people who claim to be Christians to read their Bibles, so Pinky doesn't have to hold the bag.

Fuzzy and warm Christians with blinders on regarding the Bible are just plain good people. They don't need no stinking Bibles.

However, until they know their Bibles, they remain UNARMED when it comes to discussing the value of Jesus.

Luckily, there are nothing but good, warm, fuzzy people here at Suite 101. Even Wendell has come around. He doesn't stick up for child murder anymore.

Celebrate your victories, Pinky! Don't let Brother Jones get your goat. Ask him why Roger Clemens left Texas for New York. That will get him examining why Jesus didn't come back either.

-- posted by HeadZenCards

» HeadZenCards - Chinese Toothpaste

In response to Walking A Mile posted by pink101:

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk...

Pinky, you may be right about the Chinese.... now it's toothpaste!

-- posted by HeadZenCards

» pink101 - Chinese Toothpaste

In response to Chinese Toothpaste posted by HeadZenCards:
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Maybe the truth about the immigrant problems will surface soon.
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That jerk, Clinton, and this jerk, Bush, have both been complicit with the Capitalist plot to destroy America's sovereignty with the so-called Free-Trade agreements which have destroyed the Mexican economy almost completely and are doing the same thing to the U.S.A. Poor people in Mexico are unable to keep their heads above the water line of starvation and must emigrate to El Norte'. The same with Central America's impoverished people. It's all about making more money for the wealthy. We are lied to by our leaders who use ideologies to keep us subservient. Duhhh. Abba dabba dabba dabba dabba and we go a blathering along.
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-- posted by pink101

» HeadZenCards - Chinese Toothpaste

In response to Chinese Toothpaste posted by pink101:

.... but with 24% fewer cavities.... since there will be 24% fewer of us....

How about a third party? And a fourth, if need be?

-- posted by HeadZenCards

» pink101 - Chinese Water--Bottled

In response to Chinese Toothpaste posted by HeadZenCards:
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I used to think the ultimate weapon would be a birth control water treatment that would make all the women and men who drank it sterile.
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I imagine it is on the way.
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People who drink the water will just grow old and die of whatever causes; but, with no children, that signals the end of the society involved.
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When will Sam's Club start selling us bottled water from China?
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:~)
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-- posted by pink101