Protestantism

» paper_turtle - Hungry on the Sabbath

In response to Bringing this back (Phil) posted by Migisi:

Work was forbidden on the Sabbath--still is, for very Orthodox Jews. Eating was not forbidden, but the gathering of food was. Those who had no food were not forbidden to gather enough on Friday (before sundown) to see then through the Sabbath.

Even among very Orthodox Jews, exceptions were/are made is case of extreme hardship.

peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

» Migisi - Sabbath

In response to Sabbath posted by BrianTubbs:

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Yeah, I know the rest, Bri. But it wasn't germaine to what Paper said..."Did you know that when ~OT~ Jews harvested their crops they..."

-- posted by Migisi

» Migisi - Hey! Want To Discuss ...

In response to Hey! Want To Discuss ... posted by BrianTubbs:

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Stop holding up the Nazis and other inflammatory examples to cast discredit on the Bible.
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That's interesting, Bri. You often hold up the Nazi card as your justification for war. Just thought I'd mention that.

-- posted by Migisi

» Migisi - Hungry on the Sabbath

In response to Hungry on the Sabbath posted by paper_turtle:

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Work was forbidden on the Sabbath--still is, for very Orthodox Jews. Eating was not forbidden, but the gathering of food was.
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How about cooking the food? That's work. Did the women of the house stop cooking and call for take-out? (wink) Did they stop serving their men and cleaning up after them and the kids on the Sabbath? If so, I wanna be an orthodox Jew.

-- posted by Migisi

» paper_turtle - Hungry on the Sabbath

In response to Hungry on the Sabbath posted by Migisi:

Cooking and dishwashing are also forbidden. All the cooking is done on Friday--or, in some communities they hire Shabbas Goys (non-Jews) to work for them on the Sabbath.

I would imagine, though, that changing diapers and nursing babies would not be forbidden. (I never thought to ask about that before. I'll see if I can find out.)

peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

» Migisi - Hungry on the Sabbath

In response to Hungry on the Sabbath posted by paper_turtle:

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Cooking and dishwashing are also forbidden.
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Now yer talking!
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changing diapers and nursing babies
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Well, if they hire goys to cook and clean once a week, I bet they could get them to change diapers and give formula. I wonder how much a Shabbas goy gets paid?

-- posted by Migisi

» Brian Tubbs - Difficult

In response to Hey! Want To Discuss ... posted by Migisi:

You just like being difficult, don't you? Can a man have a double standard around here?

Technically, I hold up the World War II argument when I talk about war, not so much the "Nazi card."

Seriously, I do think there's a difference between holding up World War II as a just war -- an argument no one here has refuted by the way -- and then doing what Pink did, which was saying that the "them that dont' work, don't eat" philosophy was a Nazi one. (Implication: it's an evil sentiment, which should be discarded).

I come right out and say what my implications are. Pacifism is an unworkable philosophy unless EVERYONE is a pacifist. Then, it works great. But, given human nature, it doesn't work so well. You, as a ex-cop, know about human nature.

» HeadZenCards - Difficult

In response to Difficult posted by BrianTubbs:

Brian, you say: "Pacifism is an unworkable philosophy unless EVERYONE is a pacifist. Then, it works great. But, given human nature, it doesn't work so well."

I agree with you about that and that WWII was a "just" war. But WWJD?

Jesus is supposed to have said:

Matt. 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

(And a Hiroshima for a Pearl Harbor....)

5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

(Would THAT have worked after Pearl Harbor?)

5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

(If that ain't Pacifism, I don't know what is. Goofy stuff.)

5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

(And let him walk a mile in thy coat, cloak, and shoes...)

5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

(Didn't the Japanese want steel and oil from us in early 1941? I'm glad America didn't follow THAT rule.)

5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

(And smite the children of your enemies...)

5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

(We should have loved Hitler?)

5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

(And called on his followers to commit infanticide...)

5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

(Publicans? Republicans? No, they don't...)

5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

(The Heil Hitler salute?)

5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Jesus sounds fairly pacifistic to me. But what he says doesn't work so well. Agreed?

-- posted by HeadZenCards

» redback - JFK

In response to JFK posted by pink101:

I guess you see 'what ifs' in how I saw JFK and MLK. Maybe "add-ons"?

The comments I made in that post to which you've responded reminds me of a 'flippant' comment I made ages ago. If no-one responds to the substance of my posts, they are in total agreement. I do recall responses that seemed to endorse that position. I see many are in agreement here.

-- posted by redback

» pink101 - JFK

In response to JFK posted by redback:
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Maybe they think I'm nuts?
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Who would know?
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-- posted by pink101