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» pink101 - The 1960s

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Something happened in the 1960s that changed America drastically. Some bullets flew and a president was dead.
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RIGHT TURN, CLYDE!!
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And, here we are.
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Sad but true.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - The 1960s

In response to The 1960s posted by pink101:
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We entered a worm hole in time
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Are we coming out the other end yet?
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Are we able to get an over view or are we still stuck on letting others frame our reality for us.
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Where have all the young girls gone...

-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - The 1960s

In response to The 1960s posted by pink101:

The two significant assassinations of the 1960s were JFK and MLK. Combined, they both had a profound impact on the United States. I agree.

I do think that RFK's death has been a wee-bit exaggerated. But that too was a significant event in that it altered the 1968 presidential election.

» paper_turtle - The 1960s

In response to The 1960s posted by BrianTubbs:

Brian wrote:
I do think that RFK's death has been a wee-bit exaggerated. But that too was a significant event in that it altered the 1968 presidential election.
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As one who "was there" RFK's death was shattering. I didn't see him in the same light with JFK and MLK, but he was the representative of the legacy of "Camelot" and his death was a staggering blow to those of us who idealistically hoped that some good could yet come out of the deaths of JFK and MLK. In particular, many of us hoped that he could stem the rising tide of violence.
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So, to those of us who were there, his death as significant (and devastating) as the others.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

» Brian Tubbs - RFK

In response to The 1960s posted by paper_turtle:

I'm not challenging the fact that RFK's death was shattering in terms of the hopes that he inspired in millions of people. Who am I to argue a point over the feelings of people?

I'm commenting as a historian. From a historical point of view, RFK is a "wee-bit exaggerated." Notice I said "wee-bit" I'm not saying RFK was insignificant or that his death was meaningless. I think our difference is in degrees.

You are speaking as one who lived through it. That doesn't necessarily give you more credibility on RFK's historical legacy. Would you say he was more significant than, say, Abraham Lincoln - to take a broader view? Neither of us was alive in the 1860s, but I would think we'd agree that Lincoln's death was much, much, MUCH more significant.

But since the original point concerned itself with the 1960s, I'll say that we more or less agree. MLK and JFK were more significant and pivotal than RFK, but RFK was nonetheless significant in his own right.

» pink101 - These Three Cold Blooded Murders

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These three cold blooded murders achieved what their planners had hoped for.
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I think we know who was behind the Kennedy murders.
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The purpose was to change the direction in which American society was headed.
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And they did that exactly.
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America is sinking fast.
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-- posted by pink101

» paper_turtle - RFK

In response to RFK posted by BrianTubbs:

Briam wrote:
I'm commenting as a historian. From a historical point of view, RFK is a "wee-bit exaggerated."
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Well, then, perhaps you need to define "history." What affects how people feel (particularly something like an assassination) influences much more than just their general mood. It can change how they vote, what they will be tolerant/interant of, how they spend their money, what causes they will support. History begins with people's private lives.
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You are speaking as one who lived through it. That doesn't necessarily give you more credibility on RFK's historical legacy.
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No, but with all due respect it doesn't make your POV more credible either.
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Beyond that, though, those who were witnesses to a particular time in history (regardless of what it is) can offer a broader perspective (and perhaps greater depth) on some of the subtle influences historical researchers otherwise might overlook (or at least not give sufficient weight).
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

» pink101 - JFK and RFK

In response to RFK posted by paper_turtle:
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These two Kennedy assassinations were bold-in-your-face murders of the crudest sort out in the open and in plain view of the American people.
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They were not actions against Kennedys; but, were aimed directly at America's heart and they hit their targets. The American Spirit was broken by the one, two punch to our solar plexus and we lost our will to react against the tyranny.
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The rest of the world's leaders were put on notice that they had better not get out of line--a new power had moved into place and it was as cold blooded as a deadly reptile of prey--not an ounce of hesitation in its veins.
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Bold and unafraid of the chicken hearted politicians who were left standing at the grave sides of these two heroric men of such great stature, these raptors have their way with the direction the world is being taken today.
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You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out who pulled these two hits off.
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JFK broke the rules and he not only died for it; but, he was assassinated in braod daylight.
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Who could have pulled off such a caper and got away with it.
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Oswald was a patsy.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - JFK and Reagan

To those who lived through both men, which do you think cast the biggest influence over American society? Now, please don't just pick your personal favorite. I would put money down that you'd all three prefer JFK over Reagan, but I'm not asking that. I'm asking which man (REMOVING the assassination factor) captivated the nation more.

» paper_turtle - JFK and Reagan

In response to JFK and Reagan posted by BrianTubbs:

To those who lived through both men, which do you think cast the biggest influence over American society? Now, please don't just pick your personal favorite. I would put money down that you'd all three prefer JFK over Reagan, but I'm not asking that. I'm asking which man (REMOVING the assassination factor) captivated the nation more.
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That would be a tough call. JFK left quite a legacy--including (amont many others) the Peace Corps, Partners in Progress/Alliance for Progress, and a children's physical fitness program which is still in use. His idealism inspired even those who disagreed with his politics.
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Reagan left quote a legacy, too, but my opinion of his legacy is not a favorable one--triclke down economics, star wars weaponry, Iran Gate. We're still paying (literally) for some of his policies. He was referred to as "the great communicator," but I could never see how that was so.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle