Protestantism

» EvilChihuahua - Faith and History

In response to Faith and History posted by HeadZenCards:

History shows there is no evidence for Jesus Christ as written in the Bible. The books written long after his supposed death are probably an amalgamation of stories about dozens of first century nut-jobs.

Fortunately, there's more evidence for Jesus Christ as written in the Bible than there is for your theory about first century nut-jobs?:)

-- posted by EvilChihuahua

» Brother_Jones - Faith and History

In response to Faith and History posted by HeadZenCards:

History shows there is no evidence for Jesus Christ as written in the Bible.

Sorry, I guess I am going to have to agree with the above Matey on this one. It is a good try to sorta take a stab and summarize history about Jesus of Nazareth. But it just didn't seem to work very good for you.

i'm just an oldtimer for the Lord.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» dancooper - Paul's letter to Timothy

In response to Paul's letter to Timothy posted by siminspain:

"stop disputing about mere words. It does no good, and it is the ruin of those who listen. (wink)"

"It's certainly my ruin, I prefer Chemistry topic."

I'll bet you have substantially fewer "listeners" over there in Chemistry.

-- posted by dancooper

» pink101 - Evidence?

In response to Faith and History posted by Brother_Jones:
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Well, then, you and matey can provide us with the evidence. Other than that, concede.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Let's clarify

In response to Evidence? posted by pink101:

Oliver, surely you don't mean this: "History shows there is no evidence for Jesus Christ as written in the Bible." Are you actually saying that Jesus Christ is made up? And that the Bible contains no historical truth? I'll give you a chance to clarify yourself, before I respond.

Pink, are you REALLY saying that there is NO evidence for the claims of Christianity?

Let ME be clear...

1. I canNOT prove all of the claims of Christianity and/or the Bible by use of historic or scientific evidence. I never said I could. But I most certainly CAN prove SOME of those claims!

2. My relationship with God is NOT based merely on factual evidence. It is based on putting my faith and trust in Jesus Christ. And it IS a relationship, not a textbook exercise.

Still...Pink and Oliver, if your positions are really, truly as I understand them (see above)...well...let's just say that I can't see anyone today really believing that, so I'll give you a chance to clarify before I respond.

» redback - Respond to PT

In response to Respond to PT posted by Migisi:

Paper turtle stated: "...The discussion, thus far, has been almost entirely confined to questions relating to what one has in one's head, not what one has in one's heart."

I keep pondering whose side I'm supposed to be joining as doctrinal issues etc confuse me as to what are matters that matter.

On all the alleged "evidence" I have grown accustomed to, the dual reference to where thought comes from, still has me stumped from the first time I raised it. The Bible is either being poetic about the heart or not (and I'm not aiming to be pedantic on behalf of heart transplant patients).

Heart or big toe, my questioning is as fair dinkum as I can make it even if tissue sampling fails to identify its deeper origins for me. I don't have this thing called 'faith' about Jesus as clearly exampled by Boanerges, Brother-jones, Brian etc so I'd be far less than fair dinkum if I started from that base.

Migisi...you seemta mixa cuppla my quotes. IF Jesus IS what the Bible says He is, my way of thinking means there is no quantum leap to make nor need for 'faith' given that fact. I can't imagine how differently I'd post or whether I'd need to visit here at all.

..."his apostles and disciples' writings deserve further study as well..."
I meant Jesus AND the Bible are both worthy of further study.

I'm coming up to 7 years membership of suite101. I was thinking of procrastinating but I decided not to. I've no apology to make in my journey.

-- posted by redback

» pink101 - Let's clarify

In response to Let's clarify posted by BrianTubbs:
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My position is that there is no solid evidence that Jesus was dead for three days and that he arose from the dead.
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All of our evidence is hearsay. None of it is corroborated by any recognized source other than the Bible. The only possible basis on which a person can base their belief in the resurrection is faith.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brother_Jones - Respond to PT

In response to Respond to PT posted by redback:

The Bible is either being poetic about the heart or not (and I'm not aiming to be pedantic on behalf of heart transplant patients).

Here are three ideas as given through Blaise Pascal that have meant a great deal to me over the years when it comes to understanding why the life of Jesus is so completely confusing to many:

Jesus Christ is an obscurity (according to what the world calls obscurity), such that historians, writing only of important matters of states, have hardly noticed Him.

As Jesus Christ remained unknown among men, so His truth remains among common opinions without external difference. Thus the Eucharist among ordinary bread.

Jesus Christ would not have the testimony of devils, nor of those who were not called, but of God and John the Baptist.

When it comes to trying to fathom why Jesus is so important to every day of our life and every conversation and every decision that we make, it begins to weigh on the mind whether so many are blind through their own choice to run to the opinions of those who see nothing valuable at all in the life of Jesus, and it becomes sort of a nightmare for those who continue to wonder why all this talk about an ancient tribe of wandering Jews and this one particular Jew.

Stone upon stone, until a house is either built or a person trips over Jesus, and just loses any taste for God completely.

i am just an oldtimer for the Lord.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» pink101 - Respond to PT

In response to Respond to PT posted by Brother_Jones:
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Jones has nothing to offer except coded words and phrases--insider talk.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brother_Jones - Respond to PT

In response to Respond to PT posted by pink101:

Jones has nothing to offer except coded words and phrases--insider talk.

ABC. Why am I the one who is usually castigated for supposed remarks about you?

i am just an oldtimer for the Lord.

-- posted by Brother_Jones