Protestantism

» HeadZenCards - Playing By The Rules

In response to Playing By The Rules posted by BrianTubbs:

Agreed. So the second amendment refers to single shot rifles only, right?

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» pink101 - Playing By The Rules

In response to Playing By The Rules posted by HeadZenCards:
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Other than the fact that Second Amendment, when it applies to the second item in the Bill of Rights, is always capitalized, that was a pretty good lampoon.
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Right, and you have to load the shot down the muzzle.
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Originalism...
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:)
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Pretty good, Ollie.

-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Playing By The Rules

In response to Playing By The Rules posted by HeadZenCards:

As a joke, that's pretty funny. But, logically, I hope you can see there are several major problems with this. First, strict constructionism isn't just about original understanding - it's primarily about the TEXT. Second, originalism refers to legal understanding of principle - not the historical specific. For instance, according to the US Constitution, the President is the Commander in Chief of the army and navy. No mention of the air force. That's no problem with originalism.

» Brian Tubbs - Referees

To get this back on track....the point of the judicial branch is to play referee in our society. But referees are bound by the RULES - not by their opinions. Granted, referees are human and make mistakes. Some are biased. Some are smarter than others. Some are not altogether honest. That's the way it is in sports. It's the way it is in our court system. But, the STANDARD is that referees enforce the rules.

Well..that's what it's supposed to be with our courts. They are there to interpet and apply the rules. Who decides on those rules? The People - THROUGH their elected lawmakers.

» pink101 - Referees & Opinions

In response to Referees posted by BrianTubbs:
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But, judges give their opinion on how the law should be interpreted in any given case.
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Lawyers often argue points of law from opposed perspectives.
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How does the Constitution deal with abortion exccept that someone has an opinion?
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Something which confuses me

In response to Something which confuses me posted by BrianTubbs:
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PaperTurtle, pro-lifers are NOT motivated by a desire to control women or interfere in individual choices.
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Well sure they are, Brian. Control and interference with personal choice is what the anti-abortion movement is all about.
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It's a life issue for us, and the most sacred right (according to the Declaration of Independence) is the right to life..
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If it's a 'life issue' for you all... a sacred right to life... do you all oppose the death penalty and war? Innocent fetuses, infants, and children are killed in war.

-- posted by Migisi

» paper_turtle - Something which (Migisi)

In response to Something which confuses me posted by Migisi:

Brian wrote:
PaperTurtle, pro-lifers are NOT motivated by a desire to control women or interfere in individual choices.
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Migisi responded:
Well sure they are, Brian. Control and interference with personal choice is what the anti-abortion movement is all about.
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Brian wrote:
It's a life issue for us, and the most sacred right (according to the Declaration of Independence) is the right to life..
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Migisi responded:
If it's a 'life issue' for you all... a sacred right to life... do you all oppose the death penalty and war? Innocent fetuses, infants, and children are killed in war.
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exactly what I was about to say.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

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» Brian Tubbs - Presumptuous Myth

In response to Something which confuses me posted by Migisi:

It is preposterous to argue that the mainstream pro-life movement is motivated by a desire to control women. That's just ridiculous. For one thing, please don't presume to interpret the designs or intentions of my conscience or will or heart in this matter.

I am opposed to abortion on demand because I believe in protecting innocent life. I think it's highly disturbing (to put it mildly) that we've established a system whereby a person (man or woman) can unilaterally choose whether an innocent human being lives or dies.

The two of you don't have the right to presume to know what motivates my thinking or WHY I'm pro-life. I have a right to speak for myself in that regard. I certainly wouldn't presume to tell YOU why YOU are pro-choice.

» Brian Tubbs - Abortion, war, capital punishment, etc.

In response to Something which confuses me posted by Migisi:

I want an answer to my previous post on your presumptuousness, but I'll answer this in the meantime.

Your argument here is fallacious. Is someone who supports war in certain circumstances or capital punishment in certain circumstances not qualified to speak out against murder?

The Judeo-Christian tradition has long recognized the validity of war as defense. I'm sure you're familiar with Augustine's just war theory. This is NOT inconsistent with the pro-life position that a woman has the right to abort her child if her (the mother's) life is in danger. The right of self-defense has been consistently applied here.

As for capital punishment, I will concede your point if and when...

1) We provide defense counsel (taxpayer funded if the pre-born baby can't hire an attorney on her own) to advocate on behalf of the pre-born baby

2) There is a trial by jury to determine if the pre-born child warrants legal protection

3) There is an appeals process in place if the child loses the first round

4) Oh, and if the pre-born baby is found guilty of an offense that would warrant her execution

Put those things in place, and we'll talk.

» pink101 - How Far Do You Want To Go

In response to Abortion, war, capital punishment, etc. posted by BrianTubbs:
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Here's a quote from Genesis 38:9 & 10: "But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD's sight; so he put him to death also."
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Do wet dreams constitute mass murder?
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Logic is logic. How far do you want to go?
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-- posted by pink101