Protestantism

» paper_turtle - Sick kids...

In response to Sick kids... posted by redback:

redback wrote:
to me, having zero tolerance for weapons on campus ought to be a freedom given up by the innocent gun-toting student
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I agree.
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Crikey, around here, even trying to stop graffitists risks life and limb
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From what has been said in this thread by you and others makes me (yet again) so very grateful to be living in Vermont. Its still safe, here, to report questionable activity/crime to the police. Our children do not have to go through metal detectors or be under scrutiny from surveilance cameras to feel safe.
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Its not paradise, not free from senseless violence, hate crimes, drug trafficing, or any of the other ills of society, but the incidence of such things is much, much less than the national average.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

» Migisi - Sick kids...

In response to Sick kids... posted by paper_turtle:
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Here in Vermont we have a Tip Line system.
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We have the same system. One state cop I worked with told me that it's too often used to harass someone anonymously - misused to report local complaints like illegal parking, dog running at large, shooting off fireworks on the 4th of July. But now and then, there's a real crime reported, or knowledge of one about to be committed.
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We must remember that the informant's information IS on the original intake form. It can be used in court.
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I have left open the real possibility that I, or someone I love, will be the next victim.
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I DO understand the need to get involved. But one must be realistic and cautious. Even criminals have family and friends. I'm just saying 'be careful'.

-- posted by Migisi

» Migisi - Sick kids...

In response to Sick kids... posted by redback:

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having zero tolerance for weapons on campus ought to be a freedom given up by the innocent gun-toting student.
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In a perfect world, there'd be no mentally sick kids. They wouldn't harm others or themselves. And there'd be no need for guns on or off campus. Maybe that perfect world is Vermont. (Wink and to Paper.)

-- posted by Migisi

» HeadZenCards - Finding God At VT

I said that our life here on planet Earth is the only life our brains will ever know.

You said that I knew as well as you do that there is absolutely NO way for me to verify this statement until I die. You said that mine was a belief statement, a philosophical statement.

Are you kidding?

The brain is an organ in the body. When the body dies, that organ dies. It is not active. It does not "know" anything at that point, if we define knowing as being brain activity.

Therefore, my statement was not a belief statement. It was a fact.

If you have a statement you'd like to offer as proof of another bodily organ that survives physical death, I'd be comforted by it, if by comforted you mean fooled into a false sense of security so long as I gave 10% of my money to the idea of Jesus on the basis of half truths and nonsense.

-- posted by HeadZenCards

» Twice__Pardoned - ...

Even if people give up their right to own and carry conceal weapons (guns specifically) it is not going to slow down or deture the use of guns as a means to slaughter innocent people.
Maybe it's an age old argument but "Guns don't kill people... people kill people"
Guns are a tool, for more than violence. I agree that an exasily acessable gun is a danger to someone who is in a rage but the facts have consistently shown that these perps where not acting on a 'moment' of rage. They were planned events.
Thus gun laws won't stop these activities from happening.

-- posted by Twice__Pardoned

» HeadZenCards - ...

In response to ... posted by Twice__Pardoned:

People are in charge, I agree. There is no God to arbitrate or influence decisions made by human beings, only ideas about God that, historically speaking, push people towards violence.

-- posted by HeadZenCards

» paper_turtle - ...

In response to ... posted by Twice__Pardoned:

I agree that an exasily acessable gun is a danger to someone who is in a rage but the facts have consistently shown that these perps where not acting on a 'moment' of rage. They were planned events.
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Nope. This *might* be true in relation to some (or most) of the school shootings, but definitely is *not* always the case--especially if you're talking about teens who simply do not have the ability to fully understand the consequences of their actions.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

» Twice__Pardoned - ...

In response to ... posted by paper_turtle:

Well you will need to provide me with an example of a massacre that was not planned then.

Because I can certianly go to Google and search "Massacre " and ever example I pull up was a planned event.

There are indeed instances were rage is the game but those are not massacres... those are shootings. Usually one kid/man/woman shooting another 1 or 2 people... These are not planned usually.

Unlike Columbine and VT which were most certainly planned.

-- posted by Twice__Pardoned

» Twice__Pardoned - ...

In response to ... posted by HeadZenCards:

I just had a wierd thought... I wonder if anyone who attended Columbine as a Freshman in 1999 was Senior or Post-graduate in 2007?
It is possible. That would be really wierd.

-- posted by Twice__Pardoned

» redback - Sick kids...

In response to Sick kids... posted by Migisi:

A perfect world would limit our ability to learn from the rich tapestry of life. Maybe places like Vermont are intended for sabbaticals only.

-- posted by redback