Protestantism

» pink101 - Not avoiding

In response to Not avoiding posted by BrianTubbs:
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Traps and loaded questions?
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So, what is it people are to understand when they hear the message being given about their need for salvation?
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I am amazed that it is such a difficult task to explain the Gospel of Jesus.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Displays The Point

In response to Not avoiding posted by pink101:
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I think this thread displays the point that is almost completely ignored by the popular churches of the day.
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It is so easy--when we read the Bible--to see that Jesus came against a status quo. But, do we hear that message from the religious among us? Hardly. The message we hear is against YOU the reader. YOU are a SINNER who deserves to be swept into Hell where you will exist in pain and agony for ever and ever BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT WORTHY of any better treatment. Let's get THIS straight for once and for all time. YOU and YOUR worthlessness is the number one message you hear from the platforms of America's popular churches.
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Is THAT the Gospel that Jesus brought with him?
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And, are we told--by the priests--that they are the ones who condemn you to Hell? No! Instead you are already condemned. By who?
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Try to apply a little logic to the story.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brother_Jones - Displays The Point

In response to Displays The Point posted by pink101:

to see that Jesus came against a status quo.

What is that other than double talk?

Jesus Christ is for everyone not just the outsider who would stir rebellion. The status quo is usually those who have enough food and nice living quarters and power in the group to decide whether to extend God's mercies or defend their turf. You do a service at times to emphasize the stuggle that goes on within the classes, even of religious faith that claim some sort of higher ground. But you can't seem to recognize the struggle that goes on in the individual soul over whether a heart will be divided and priorities be given over to an amoral lifestyle. You don't seem to even notice that churches are in the business of extending the hope that God created us to be like Christ.

i am just an oldtimer for the Lord.

i am just an oldtimer for the Lord.

-- posted by Brother_Jones

» paper_turtle - that which was lost

In response to Not avoiding posted by BrianTubbs:

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Brian wrote:
The central point of Jesus' teaching is that HE is the Messiah - that He is the Son of God come to "seek and to save that which is lost."
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Yes, BUT: what was **lost**--at the time of Jesus--was the Jews of his era. The religion from which he had sprung had become completely derailed, mired in hypocrisy and legalism. He came to save his own people from those who were leading them astray.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

» pink101 - A Little Logic That Is At Hand

In response to Displays The Point posted by pink101:
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I think we can use a little logic that is at hand.
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Pink, you are wrong

In response to Displays The Point posted by pink101:

Pink, you are wrong on so many levels here. JESUS is the one who made the point about people being on their way to hell. READ JOHN CHAPTER THREE!!! Read what Jesus tells Nicodemus.

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

IN OTHER WORDS....the world is ALREADY condemned. People have already condemned themselves because of their SIN. Don't agree? Think I'm misinterpreting Christ?

19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Skipping down to...

36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

It's very clear and simple, Pink. Jesus is saying that the world is already condemned for its sin and evil deeds. That the "wrath of God" already abides on the human race, BUT...

JESUS has come to "SAVE" the world, and NOT to "condemn" it. But if people don't lay hold to Jesus, then they are already condemned.

THAT is what JESUS is saying, Pink! Not what the PRIESTS say that Jesus is saying. It's what JESUS said!

» Brian Tubbs - that which was lost

In response to that which was lost posted by paper_turtle:

Paper Turtle, I think you've explained why Jesus went to the Jews first. Why he came to Judea and not Athens. But his message was, by the grace and will of God, spread throughout the entire earth.

» Brian Tubbs - Displays The Point

In response to Displays The Point posted by pink101:

Pink, you are wrong yet again. I can't speak for all the other evangelicals out there, but I preach about Jesus coming against the status quo - and I preach that frequently!

And you're wrong that evangelicals teach that people are worthless! I teach that our DEEDS are worthless in the sight of God, but then again that's what PAUL wrote: "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23) And it's what Isaiah said: "All our righteousness are as filthy rags" (Isa 64:6) So...these teachings about our sins causing us to fall short of God's glory are CONSISTENT with Scripture.

However, this does not mean that WE as PEOPLE are worthless. God forbid that ANY preacher would EVER say that!!!!!!!!!!!!! If the Bible is clear on anything, it's clear that God LOVES us! Paul writes that God loved us "while we were yet sinners" (Romans 5:8) and Jesus told Nicodemus that "God so loved the world" which is why he (Jesus) was sent. (John 3:16)

So....we ARE valuable in the sight of God, but we are still sinners. And that's why Jesus was sent!

» pink101 - Pink, you are wrong

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Your answer is pretty good, Brian, pretty good.
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But, I think you are dancing around the weak link of the chain.
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JESUS is the one who made the point about people being on their way to hell.
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'...the world is ALREADY condemned. People have already condemned themselves because of their SIN."
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How is Jesus making the point that people are on their way to Hell?
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Do you mean to say that you honestly believe that each one of us condemns our self to Hell because we were born into sin?
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I know it's not a good idea to give ourself as an example to prove a point, but I don't condemn myself to Hell for having been born into a world of sin.
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But, I think you are knocking on the door of truth even though it hasn't yet been opened to you. That door does need to be opened and W - I - D - E.
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Wrong Yet Again

In response to Displays The Point posted by BrianTubbs:
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Pink, you are wrong yet again. I can't speak for all the other evangelicals out there, but I preach about Jesus coming against the status quo - and I preach that frequently!
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How's that? How did Jesus come against the status quo? What did the status quo stand for that Jesus stood against? You say you preach that frequently. So, it will be easy for you to articulate that point.
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So, do it here.
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:)
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Thanks.

-- posted by pink101