Protestantism

» pink101 - It's Not My Intention

It is not my intention to belittle the teaching work of Jesus and his life; but, it's more than past time for the popular message of the traditional church to be exposed for what it is.
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When Jesus was in the world spreading his Gospel of the Realm of God, he was accused of blasphemy by the priesthood.
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If Jesus was, in fact, teaching the time honored traditions of the priesthood, they should have welcomed him with open arms. But, they did not. In fact, they platted, according to the Bible, to get do away with him and his Gospel.
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Exactly--what was it that Jesus taught that was so upsetting to the priesthood? It seems--to me--the key to understanding Jesus and his Gospel should be in this area.
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I'm sure with all the biblical talent we have here at this site, we should be able to find the answer to that question with very little delay or confusion. The Answer should be straight forward and very easy to grasp.
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Anyone?

-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Correction--Plus

In response to It's Not My Intention posted by pink101:
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This line: But, they did not. In fact, they platted, according to the Bible, to get do away with him and his Gospel. should have read:
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But, they did not. In fact, they plotted, according to the Bible, to do away with him and his Gospel.
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Have they succeeded?
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Have the popular churches merely re-established the teachings of the priesthood that Jesus came against in order to maintain their control over the people?
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Your "Gospel"

Let me first say that there is SOME truth to your "Gospel," but it's only a part of the picture. But more on that LATER.

For now, let me ask you -- what are your sources? Upon what do you base this history?

» pink101 - Your "Gospel"

In response to Your "Gospel" posted by BrianTubbs:
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Whoops!
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I have asked the first question.
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But, my sources are out of my personal experience of which a great deal of the information in regards to what Jesus taught must come out of the Bible.
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So, for now, can you address my question?
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Your Question

In response to Your "Gospel" posted by pink101:

Have the popular churches merely re-established the teachings of the priesthood that Jesus came against in order to maintain their control over the people?

This is a loaded question. Depends what you mean by "popular churches." Also depends on WHAT "teachings of the priesthood" you are referring to. I would say that Jesus Himself upheld many of the teachings of the Jewish priesthood. At one point, He said He came to "fulfill" the law, not "abolish" it. Remember that.

Still...have some churches abused the Gospel and/or substituted their own version of it? Yes.

» paper_turtle - It's Not My Intention

In response to It's Not My Intention posted by pink101:

Exactly--what was it that Jesus taught that was so upsetting to the priesthood?
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IMHO, the short answer:
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Right relationship with God, to the Jew of Jesus time, was established through adherence to law and ritual. These things require a middle man (or men)--the priesthood. Jesus was saying no middleman was needed. We could all have the same relationship with God that he had. No middle man. Hundreds of priests out of a job. Deprived of power and prestige. No longer having the ear of the Romans. Just plain ordinary people.
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But of course, being unemployed was not really their biggest concern. Their beliefs were central to their identity. If someone should walk up to you and say that you are NOT Phil, and everything you think you know about yourself and your life is false, you'd be pretty paniced, too.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

» Brian Tubbs - Your Sources

In response to Your "Gospel" posted by pink101:

You cite your sources as your own "personal experience" and the Bible. Unless you've personally experienced Jesus, then your personal experiences are not credible or relevant to ascertaining Jesus' message in the 1st century AD. I'm assuming, of course, that you were not there.

So, you must turn to the records of ancient history - the leading record of Jesus' life and teachings being of course the Bible.

Do you accept the New Testament as an accurate record of Jesus' life and teachings? If you don't, then why use it as a source?

» pink101 - Your Question

In response to Your Question posted by BrianTubbs:
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So, are you admitting that you have no answer or that the answer might not support your position?
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Your Question--Okay

In response to Your Question posted by BrianTubbs:
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Okay, let's do it your way seeing as you are unwilling to respond to my question without some cajoling..
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You wrote, This is a loaded question. Depends what you mean by "popular churches."
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Popular churchs: the mainstream Evangelical, Charismatic, and Holiness churches that are so popular today. What we can call the Fundamentalist churches.
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Also depends on WHAT "teachings of the priesthood" you are referring to.
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Duh. The legalist teachings. Their opposition to the teachings of Jesus.
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I would say that Jesus Himself upheld many of the teachings of the Jewish priesthood.
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You know exactly what I mean here about what Jesus taught that the priesthood took exception with. Why beat around the bush on this?
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At one point, He said He came to "fulfill" the law, not "abolish" it. Remember that.
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Those statements of yousr only derail the main thrust of what we're talking about here. And, THAT IS THE GOSPEL that Jesus taught. I'm asking you straight out, What was it?
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I'm pretty sure most people understand what Jesus taught.
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It isn't an, "oh, yah, that tool". His teachings were not complicated. It is an exact teaching and I know you are able to cite it precisely and with very few words..
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So?
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-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Not avoiding

In response to Your Question--Okay posted by pink101:

I'm clarifying your question. Not dodging it. You really are loading it up. Of course, modern mainstream Christian churches have sometimes (I would say often) incorporated elements into Jesus' teachings that, if anything, resemble some of the old Phariseeisms that Jesus warned against. Ironically, I spoke on this TONIGHT at our prayer and Bible study.

However, if you are to look at the BASIC message of Jesus - it's "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life - no one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6) If that ain't clear enough, go with John 3:16. The central point of Jesus' teaching is that HE is the Messiah - that He is the Son of God come to "seek and to save that which is lost."