Protestantism

» Brian Tubbs - Priests

In response to Good points, but... posted by pink101:

What do you do with the episode recorded in Matthew 8:4, Mark 1:44, and Luke 5:14?

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» pink101 - Priests

In response to Priests posted by BrianTubbs:
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What, that Jesus wanted the priests to wake up to something that was going on?
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What do you make of it?
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What's your point?
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-- posted by pink101

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» paper_turtle - Good points, but...

In response to Good points, but... posted by BrianTubbs:

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Brian wrote:
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He's not putting himself forward simply as an example, but as a person.
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Yes but can't it be both/and rather than either or? Are we not exorted to live *AS* Christ lived? Isn't that following an example?
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

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» Brian Tubbs - Jesus as an Example

In response to Good points, but... posted by paper_turtle:

Yes, that's absolutely true, Paper Turtle. But without a personal relationship with Christ and the Holy Spirit empowering us, it's impossible to live a life that consistently approaches the holy example of Jesus - in both thought and deed.

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» pink101 - Jesus as a Holy Example

In response to Jesus as an Example posted by BrianTubbs:
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"...it's impossible to live a life that consistently approaches the holy example of Jesus..."
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Let's see, questioning authority so persistently that its representatives want you out of their way? Sticking up for the ordinary little guy? Would these be two of the examples Jesus set? Or should we be talking of piety and performance of miracles like walking on water and quelling some storm?
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-- posted by pink101

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» Brian Tubbs - Jesus as a Holy Example

In response to Jesus as a Holy Example posted by pink101:

Phil, of course, people can live up to aspects of Jesus' ministry. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Gandhi are two recent leaders that come to mind - leaders who challenged the establishment courageously and through nonviolent means. That's certainly exemplary of what Jesus did.

I'm referring to Jesus' sinless example. I should clarify, I suppose, that I'm coming from the perspective that Jesus is the Son of God - that he is divine. That he is in fact equal with God. And thus that Jesus was and is sinless. It is impossible for us to be sinless.

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» pink101 - Jesus as a Holy Example

In response to Jesus as a Holy Example posted by BrianTubbs:
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Sinless example?
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What's that? You mean he didn't smoke and go to movies? Didn't drink wine or beer? Never hung out with the wrong people?
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Wasn't he born of a woman?
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Doesn't that make him a sinner deserving to be swept into Hell?
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Where does this idea that Jesus never sinned come from?
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-- posted by pink101

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» Migisi - Jesus as a Holy Example

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Where does this idea that Jesus never sinned come from?
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Flashback to my catechism...
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From Judaism, and their traditions of sacrifice... only the pure perfect spotless animal could be used as a sacrifice for the absolution of sins. Jesus had to be pure and spotless to be acceptable and effective as a perfect sacrifice to atone for Man's sins.
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Paul, Peter, and John propagated this sinless idea. Specifically see 2 Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:15, 1 Peter 2:21-22, 1 John 3:5.
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According to most conservative Christians, Jesus IS God, and God doesn't sin. For those believing he was God's Son, had he sinned, he wouldn't have qualified as a divine member of the Triune God.
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The Jewish tradition didn't recognize the mother's lineage. Women were merely vessels. According to the story, Jesus' Father was sinless God, not human born in and of sin.
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But you know these issues were already heavily debated by the early church. The bishops voted, and the 'heretics' lost.

-- posted by Migisi

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» pink101 - Sin Guilt vs. Innocence

In response to Jesus as a Holy Example posted by Migisi:
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Where does this idea that Jesus never sinned come from?
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Migisi responds, "...Jesus had to be pure and spotless to be acceptable and effective as a perfect sacrifice to atone for Man's sins."
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I never got that straight in my mind. It just doesn't make any sense. Instead, it's one of those things that supposedly sets some kind of a standard to which no person can live. However, I do see that Jesus was innocent of the charges laid against him. That's the concept of a "lamb who is led to the slaugter" in terms of courtroom jargon--someone who is set up to take a fall for others. That's more like what happened to Jesus. He was crucified for something of which he was innocent.
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Innocence is, in and of itself, a sign of a person who makes no expression of evil in whatever it is they might do. The actions of an innocent person cannot be held against them. This is an ancient concept of common law. That's what the "not guilty due to insanity" plea is all about.
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-- posted by pink101

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» paper_turtle - William Blake

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I know of no other Christianity and of no other Gospel than the liberty of both body and mind to exercise the Divine Acts of Imagination.
--William Blake (1757-1827), in his poem "Jerusalem"
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

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