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» Migisi - Now comes Carl Sagan

In response to Now comes Carl Sagan posted by Brother_Jones:

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I stand corrected. Sagan said, 'In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no HINT that hope will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.'
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To hint is to convey an idea covertly or indirectly, but intelligibly.

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» Brother_Jones - Now comes Carl Sagan

In response to Now comes Carl Sagan posted by Migisi:

I stand corrected. Sagan said, 'In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no HINT that hope will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.'

No sweat, Migisi. I'm sorta all thumbs in this area of Science and Astronomers. It is a busy job just trying to keep Theologians honest. Don't you agree that Sagan's statement negates the world of spirituality? Is he someone that you feel comfortable with in the overall understandings of the meanings of life? (Billions and billions of planets and stars proves our insignificance in the Universe. We are just a faded blue dot. My paraphrase.) What science do you believe that Sagan uses to determine that 'no hint that hope will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.' Did Sagan discover this truth somehow by using his telescope or microscope? Or did he learn it in a philosophy class?

How well do you know your Sagan?

i'm the oldtimer.

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» pink101 - Now comes Carl Sagan

In response to Now comes Carl Sagan posted by Brother_Jones:

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So, then, Brother Jones, it appears you are saying that the spiritual is subservient to the material?
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Heaven, in your mind, will be some sort of a place quite similar to what we have here except that everything will be perfect and we'll live forever.
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Uh huh. Yupper, that's what it looks like you are saying.
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» Brother_Jones - Now comes Carl Sagan

In response to Now comes Carl Sagan posted by pink101:

No, nothing like that.

Pinky, are you posting after a nap or something? Sometimes I do that. It is best to do a couple of jumping jacks or push ups before you post. Thanks for the inquiry about my Grand Rapids grandson. He is doing great. Michigan is advertising the whole state is going green. He will grow up recycling and avoiding plastic. His parents don't have any plans to have him play football or shoot a bb gun. It sounds like those are choices there for young boys. Michigan is like another country from Texas. lol.

the oldtimer.

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» pink101 - Do You?

In response to Now comes Carl Sagan posted by Brother_Jones:
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Pinky, are you posting after a nap or something? Sometimes I do that. It is best to do a couple of jumping jacks or push ups before you post.
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Your entire set of posts about Carl Sagan seems like an attempt to compare the physical with the spiritual.
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Maybe I should draw pictures for you?
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I don't enjoy being insulted. Do you?
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» Brother_Jones - Do You?

In response to Do You? posted by pink101:

Maybe I should draw pictures for you?

Sagan's humanism doesn't have much appeal for me. Just to use astronomy to direct folks away from God seems like a less than noble calling, but I would admit that lots of people are into the Carl Sagan approach of athiesm. I guess I was comparing Matter vs Spiritual in the Sagan model. Spiritual is a flat zero to Carl Sagan. Can you see any advantage to his kind of humanism?

the oldtimer.

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» pink101 - La La Land

In response to Do You? posted by Brother_Jones:
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I guess I was comparing Matter vs Spiritual in the Sagan model.
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It looks to me like you're comparing the material world to the spiritual in a way like comparing apples to oranges. Sagan is world renowned as a highly respected scientist. His video makes many valid points. And, that seems to bother you.
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BTW, I'm a human so I pay attention to human things. I don't live in la la land.
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I see our Evangelical participants are all choosing their battles wisely and only entering in on the ones they think they have at least some small chance of winning.
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» Migisi - Now comes Carl Sagan

In response to Now comes Carl Sagan posted by Brother_Jones:
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"Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense."
- Carl Sagan
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"In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. But this is mere temporizing. If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from? And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?"
- Carl Sagan, Cosmos, page 257
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"I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But much as I want to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural traditions that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than wishful thinking. The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides."
- Carl Sagan, 1996 in his article "In the Valley of the Shadow", Parade Magazine; Also, Billions and Billions p. 215]
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» pink101 - Now comes Carl Sagan

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Old Carl was pretty good, if you ask me.
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» Migisi - Now comes Carl Sagan

In response to Now comes Carl Sagan posted by pink101:
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Sagan certainly inspired millions to think above and beyond the rock we live on. He presented an awesome 'big picture', a different and wonderful perspective, which moved many to ask and face hard questions about our significance to and in the vastness of the universe. Always, his summations returned to individual responsibility - how we need to cherish and preserve our rock - and each other, and forever seek knowledge. ~That~, IMO, was Sagan's spirituality.
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