Protestantism

» Brian Tubbs - They've done it in Star Trek

In response to Evidence...yes posted by Migisi:

When you find a reliable teleporter, would you take me with you?

Time travel is routine in Star Trek. So, it shouldn't be too difficult...right?

Any Trekkies here?

» Brian Tubbs - Nonbiblical evidence?

In response to Evidence...yes posted by Migisi:

Migisi, I'm willing to set aside the Bible's supernatural claims to being the Word of God, but it's not reasonable for you to insist that all the contents of the Bible be put aside. That's stacking the deck unfairly in your favor. You at least have to grant that the Bible is a collection of ancient literature.

» pink101 - A Place Of Interest

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I think we have found a place of interest where the Evangelicals are stymied. They cannot answer with clarity.
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» Migisi - Nonbiblical evidence?

In response to Nonbiblical evidence? posted by BrianTubbs:
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You at least have to grant that the Bible is a collection of ancient literature.
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Okay. But what's that prove? Does the fact that it's ancient literature mean that it's true? If yes, then the Dead Sea Scrolls are true, the Zend-AVESTA is true, the Egyptian Book of the Dead is true, the Confucian Canon is true, the Buddhist Mahâyâna Texts are true, and so forth. You get my point, yes?
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The truth is that the resurrection is a matter of FAITH, not fact. And I'm okay with FAITH. But proving the bible using the bible won't do. If you're going to claim it's fact, I'd like to see secular collaboration - if any exists.
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Fellow Trekkie

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» pink101 - Nonbiblical evidence?

In response to Nonbiblical evidence? posted by Migisi:
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The truth may be related more to what the resurrection means as a parable than what it does as a literal concept.
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» Migisi - Nonbiblical evidence?

In response to Nonbiblical evidence? posted by pink101:

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Bri said there's evidence of the resurrection being an historical event. I think not.
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But just for discussion, let's read it as if it was a parable. What ~does~ the resurrection mean?

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» pink101 - Nonbiblical evidence?

In response to Nonbiblical evidence? posted by Migisi:
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You can be a come back kid?
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» Brian Tubbs - Ancient Manuscripts

In response to Nonbiblical evidence? posted by Migisi:

I absolutely do not hold that all ancient literature is true, however, I think ancient literature should be treated fairly and respectfully. A lot comes down to the degree of one's cynicism. For example, do you believe there's historical value to the writings of Homer? Until Troy was found, many believed the entire story was myth. Now, the consensus is different. Obviously, they're not suggesting that ALL of what Homer writes happened exactly as he said - but scholars treat it with respect nonetheless.

Same with Julius Caesar's account of the Gallic wars. Obviously biased, but it's the best source we have. And historians generally agree that, at least insofar as the basics go, Caesar's account is credible.

I'm saying the Bible deserves the same level of respect and attention.

MOREOVER...if we're going to reject the Bible as the canonized Word of God, then we have to treat the biblical books as INDIVIDUAL manuscripts. Thus, rather than the BIBLE saying Jesus rose from the dead, you have FOUR manuscripts saying so - Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Five if you add the second century Gospel of Thomas. And then you've got Paul's letters, particularly I Corinthians (which scholars treat with a LOT of credility - even liberal scholars). And on and on.

» Brian Tubbs - A Place Of Interest

In response to A Place Of Interest posted by pink101:

I trust you're not speaking of me. I haven't even gotten started.

» pink101 - Personification

In response to A Place Of Interest posted by BrianTubbs:
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Perhaps.
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We shall see what we shall see.
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Personification is a great literary concept. As Liberty can be seen as the sister of Justice and Mercy and the daughter of the Gospel, America can be seen as the child of Liberty. Which is to say that America could not exist if it weren't for the Mother of Liberty.
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There is a great sermon in there for a visionary.
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-- posted by pink101