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» Twice__Pardoned - Learn From What?

In response to Learn From What? posted by pink101:

hmm... Referenced to what? I';m trying to figure out where that came from now

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» pink101 - Learn From What?

In response to Learn From What? posted by Twice__Pardoned:
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She wrote, Filthy luker, in reference to captialism being all about making a profit on money and the products of the working class.
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» Twice__Pardoned - Privatized

So I searched Google for 'Privatized Government' and found some very cool things.

Curious... what's the fear in Privatizing certain things?

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» paper_turtle - Defending the USA (poverty)

In response to Defending the USA (poverty) posted by Twice__Pardoned:

Do you eat no meats?
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I occasionally eat chicken or fish (poached or baked, never fried). But I never eat red meat or pork (except for a piece of bacon once in a great while).
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I eat eggs, and lots of dairy products.
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Most of my protein comes from beans, nuts, and tofou (I can cook it at least 20 different ways).
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Some people find it difficult to get used to. I never cared that much for meat anyway, so it was easy for me.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

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» Twice__Pardoned - Defending the USA (poverty)

In response to Defending the USA (poverty) posted by paper_turtle:

Well I suppose our diets are extremely similar. I get the majority of my proteins from beans by far! As well as most fiber.

I don't eat eggs too often, probably should but I hardly drink milk.

Every morning I have oatmeal and yogurt! Lunch is usually bad because I eat free. My warehouse distirbutes food and Helath beauty products but we also have a sandwich 'factory' and they are NOT healthy... I'm talking 60% sodium and 55% cholestrol in 1 sandwich!!! seriously

But dinner is usually fish, veggies and beans... varied spices to keep it original but typically the same stuff.

I drink 90% water and the rest is coffee or tea. More tea though... for the antioxidants!!! =)

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» pink101 - Privatized

In response to Privatized posted by Twice__Pardoned:
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what's the fear in Privatizing certain things?
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Certain things?
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That depends on a great many variables, doesn't it?
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But, the comeback question is, what's the fear in nationalizing certain things?
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» paper_turtle - Women's Movement & abuse (repost)

In response to Paper Turtle posted by BrianTubbs:

Since this was so far back in the thread I decided to repost it so it (hopefully) wouldn't get lost.

Brian wrote:
I would, however, caution against any implication or assumption that spousal abuse was universal. I've seen many people make that claim and I think it's a tremendously unfair assumption to make. It's like our grandfathers, great grandfathers, great great grandfathers and so forth are PRESUMED guilty. I don't like that one bit.
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You pointed out that Prohibition was one of the motivators for the women's movement. This does not mean every single citizen in the nation was an alcoholic. I pointed out that *some* women might have been deterred because of abuse. This doesn't mean every single male citizen was an abuser.
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Never the less, I knew about that law--and other forms of abuse--because of the writings of the women in the movelemt. This was one point of identification with, and compassion for, those in slavery.
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In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if domestic abuse is worse NOW than it was in the 1700s and 1800s. There are some indications of this, but regardless...
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One of the first rules of abuse (spousal or child) is: don't talk about it. Although the stigma of shame is ever so gradually lifting, those being abused STILL may prefer silence. For one thing, they may have good reason to fear retaliation from their abuser if they DO speak up. Even so, women of that time did talk about their situations with other women, and some of them recorded these experiences in their diaries.
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Its possible that spousal violence only seems to be increasing because more women and children are willing to talk about it. On the other hand, times of intense stress often lead to an increase in violence of all kinds. We live in such a time. But so did the people of *that* time.
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If one studies the correspondence between the Founding Fathers and their wives, you don't see indications of and/or evidence of unhealthy, abusive relationships.
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Abigail and John Adams, for instance, have one of the storied romances in our history, and I really don't think they were exceptional or unique OTHER than the fact that they were both public figures and they kept copies of their letters deliberately for the benefit of history.
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Well of course you wouldn't find people writing about abuse in a letter--especially not if they were saving those letters for the ages. Even if they hadn't been saving their letters, there was the chance those letters could fall into the wrong hands. Such an admission could be damaging to their political careers.
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To the extent that their marriage was at all representative of that era (at least among society's leaders), then I think the image of tyrannical husbands holding back their wives is an unfair one.
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It was much more than a bit of petty holding back. The men held all the power, and hence controlled all resources. Power is very seductive. Why on earth would anyone wand to divest themselves of such power--espeically if women were espousing such "dangerous" ideas as the elimination of slavery and prohibition? One of the arguments against giving women the vote was that if women were in politics the men would have to behave themselves (stop swearing, smoking, and drinking).
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

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» Twice__Pardoned - Privatized

In response to Privatized posted by pink101:

Good point.

There are things I like about privatizing but I think I just hate the idea of giving away too much. Especially if it gives control to foreign companies.

Not that I'm xenophobic by any means but I do not want to univlersalize America anymore than I want Missouri to be controlled by the Federal Government.

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» pink101 - Privatized

In response to Privatized posted by Twice__Pardoned:
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The problems here are not the ideas of socialism, nationalism, or privatization. Instead, the problems result from the way the words are used in the media.
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Socialism has been denigrated through the media in a way similar to the way the word, Liberal, is used to put down any idea that doesn't line up with the status quo of conservativism. As a matter of fact, it has the liberal movement of progressive politics and economics that has elevated the life styles of most Americans. You don't have to do much research to discover how the majority of the people lived a hundred years ago when unbridled capitalism was in full swing. It was just about that time that the anti-trust lawsand other reforms were being brought into play to put a stop to the abuses of the working classes in America. The first third of the twentieth century was filled with anti-labor violence through which the struggles of the American working men and women were carried out. Women didn't even have the vote until the end of the second decade. Here's a link for you to check out:
http://memory.loc.gov:8081/ammem/collect...
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And, another link of probable interest:
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http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/7/1...
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» Twice__Pardoned - Privatized

In response to Privatized posted by pink101:

Sorry, the network here at work has that blocked.?.?.? Fairly common with most sites actually.

I hear what you're saying though. The media has played a huge role in American thought process.

Oddly enough most people I've talked to all say that they hate the media... then why is it still so influential?

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