Protestantism

» paper_turtle - Defending the USA

In response to Defending the USA posted by Twice__Pardoned:

Steve wrote:
Not all people are weak but having kids with a moron who'd leave you is stupid by itself. Kids have to live on welfare because parents are idiots and procreated with deadbeats.
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And a woman would know this before she marries how?
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Please, stop insulting people just because they're poor. Enough is enough.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

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» paper_turtle - Oh dear

In response to Oh dear posted by BrianTubbs:

The women's movement began well before the civil war, and on of the relatively unknown leaders of the women's movement was a woman from Vermont named Clarina Howard Nichols.
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BUT reform regarding the workplace and what constitutes a decent wage were helped--greatly--by the early communist/socialist movement.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

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» Migisi - Defending the USA

In response to Defending the USA posted by paper_turtle:
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Like I said. It's hard for some men to understand.

-- posted by Migisi

» pink101 - Oh dear

In response to Oh dear posted by BrianTubbs:
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Don't tie progress for women's rights and opportunities to communism and socialism, certainly not in the United States. That's the biggest bunch of nonsense I've ever heard - if indeed that's what you're saying.
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My position is that not just women; but, most of the rights Americans have enjoyed since the 1930s have come about--in large part--as a result of socialist and communist agitation and struggle.
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Perhaps you'd like to discuss that?
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-- posted by pink101

» pink101 - Oh dear

In response to Oh dear posted by pink101:
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This line, "most of the rights Americans have enjoyed..." should have read, "most of the economic rights Americans have enjoyed..."

-- posted by pink101

» Brian Tubbs - Socialism to new thread

I've taken the socialism stuff to another thread.

» Brian Tubbs - Women's Movement

In response to Oh dear posted by paper_turtle:

The women's movement in the United States was intertwined with Prohibition during the 1800s. Prohibition is one of the main things that drove women to the voting booth. And that's a fact!

Also contributing to the movement was the expansion of the voting franchise in the 1830s to non-property owners and frontiersmen -- AND the further transition from Republic to democracy.

As embarrassing as this may be for some to admit, women generally were NOT clamoring for voting rights or related political and legal rights in the 1700s. During that era, men were considered the heads of households - and voting was considered a household thing. Each household casts a vote. So, the husband/father would represent the family. At least two states allowed women to vote if they were unmarried or widowed property owners - thus representing households. This was in the late 1700s, early 1800s.

Women were more or less okay with that system UNTIL the Jacksonian democratic era when the voting franchise was dramatically expanded -- and as alcoholism became a rampant problem in society.

» paper_turtle - Women's Movement

In response to Women's Movement posted by BrianTubbs:

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Brian wrote:
The women's movement in the United States was intertwined with Prohibition during the 1800s. Prohibition is one of the main things that drove women to the voting booth. And that's a fact!
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I did a paper on the history of women't rights while finishing my BA (probably 1974). Prohibition was ONE factor, but, as I recall, it was not what inspired the beginnings of the movement. In the beginning the campaign for women's rights was closely connected to the slavery issue. Stephen Douglas and Soujourner Truth both spoke at early women's right conferences.
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women generally were NOT clamoring for voting rights or related political and legal rights in the 1700s. During that era, men were considered the heads of households - and voting was considered a household thing. Each household casts a vote. So, the husband/father would represent the family. At least two states allowed women to vote if they were unmarried or widowed property owners - thus representing households. This was in the late 1700s, early 1800s.
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Women were more or less okay with that system UNTIL the Jacksonian democratic era when the voting franchise was dramatically expanded . . .

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Well, there is more to their lack of objections. In the early days of this nation, the law of the land was that a husband was allowed to beat his wife with a stick no bigger than his finger. Those who might have had objections might also have been kept in line by a stick.
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Then too, while the men were out expanding frontiers, the women were back on the farm, plowing the fields if the men weren't there, cooking meals, weaving fabric, sewing clothes, milking the cow(s), tending the other animals, and protecting the homefront. They simply didn't have time to think about much beyond the next meal.
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Nichols became inspired to work for women's rights when she became a widow and discovered that although she inherited the printing/newpaper business on her husband's death, she had almost no other rights regarding this business.
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peace and love,
Paper Turtle

-- posted by paper_turtle

» pink101 - Women's Movement

In response to Women's Movement posted by paper_turtle:
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We should be bringing in the Transcendalist Movement just about here.
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Good book to read on the subject, Freethinkers, by Susan Jacoby.
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http://www.susanjacoby.com/
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Check it out.
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-- posted by pink101

» Migisi - Women's Movement

In response to Women's Movement posted by pink101:

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The site you posted mentioned Elizabeth Cady Stanton. Here's a link to Stanton's 'Woman's Bible' which I've had bookmarked for years. Fascinating facts and interpretations of scriptures from a woman's POV.
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Select a bible chapter and enjoy!
http://www.sacred-texts.com/wmn/wb/

-- posted by Migisi